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07-15-2009 , 07:08 AM
Man that second punch when bisping was out probably had at least as much force as the first, w/ gravity and all.
07-15-2009 , 10:30 AM
I had Akiyama at 29-28, and I was shocked that Rogan went off like that. FightMetric had it the same way. Definitely coulda gone either way.
07-15-2009 , 10:42 AM
not caring about either fighters, i had akiyama winning 1st 2 rounds.
07-15-2009 , 11:52 AM
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It's going to be something along the lines of Vitor Belfort coming back to the UFC.
07-15-2009 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by willie
btw, everyone thinks that akiyama got a gift right? i thought belcher had it 30-27 or at least 29-28...didn't seem that close at all really.
With takedowns/knockdowns being worth as much as they are, I thought it was pretty clear that Akiyama won the last two rounds. I'm not saying he was the better fighter, but the way scoring is, it seemed like a pretty straightforward decision to me.

EDIT: Hmm, I'm guessing everyone else is saying the 3rd is the one he lost for sure. I was already drunk and not paying close attention at the bar, so I didn't notice that he was outstruck in the third. But, Akiyama was 3 vs. 0 in takedowns in the fight.

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07-15-2009 , 12:13 PM
Interesting Fedor interview with Bas Rutten. One thing I found interesting was his reason for not being in the UFC anytime soon. He says the terms AND the manner in which they were offered are unacceptable.
07-15-2009 , 12:35 PM
Yeah unlike Affliction, the UFC is not willing bend over, drop to their knees and give him everything he wants.
07-15-2009 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
Yeah unlike Affliction, the UFC is not willing bend over, drop to their knees and give him everything he wants.
The other way to see that is that Affliction does not act like the business is a plantation and the fighters are just field hands don't deserve the proper consideration for absorbing all the physical risks (the real financial risks are long gone now in the UFC). Affliction puts on the best fights and pays the fighters well. How in the world can anyone find fault in that??
07-15-2009 , 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
Yeah unlike Affliction, the UFC is not willing bend over, drop to their knees and give him everything he wants.
This statement goes both ways sir.
07-15-2009 , 02:11 PM
Please dear god let this be true and surface on the internet.


zomg-theres-a-gina-carano-sex-tape
07-15-2009 , 02:21 PM
Why not hope that she did not have a tape that you could fap to, and hope that you could date her? I mean if you are going hope to god or the Easter Bunny or whatever, why not hope for the real thing?
07-15-2009 , 03:19 PM
"Sherdog: There’s an online petition called FedorChant.com, where a thousand people are going to cheer “Fedor” (Emelianenko) during the main event (at UFC 100). Is that going to put more pressure on you, and just the fact that Fedor doesn’t want to sign because of sambo, was that something that you’d ever overlook?

Lorenzo Fertitta: I hope all 12,000 people yell Fedor’s name at the same time. The pressure’s not on me. The pressure’s on him. They already know. The facts are the facts. We made him the best offer out there, more money than anybody offered him –- so you can’t say it’s about the money. Then they come back and they say, “Well, it’s a one-sided contract.” Let’s break this down from a logical standpoint. We offered the exact same contract that three hundred other guys have signed, including Brock Lesnar, Chuck Liddell, Anderson Silva, GSP, all the top stars. Why is that contract not good enough for Fedor? What Fedor wants is this. He doesn’t want to be exclusive. So, it’s like saying, okay, Tom Brady: “I’m going to play for New England Patriots one Sunday, but you know what? After that game’s over, I want to be a free agent and go see where I can play for the rest of the season.” Every weekend he’s going to skip around and play for whoever he wants. How does that make sense for us as a business or for the fans? He needs to come into our fold if he wants to cement his legacy as the best fighter in the world. We can figure something out with the sambo thing… (but) at the end of the day, I think we need to have a situation where at least 90 or 120 days before he’s signed a contract to fight, he shouldn’t be out there competing in events like that because I don’t want to take the chance of him getting hurt. But all of this stuff with Fedor: we want Fedor. As soon as he gets done with this show that he’s doing, he can come –- we’ve never met Fedor. I want to sit down. I want to talk to him and that’s part of the problem. We’ve never even met the guy. But it is a shame that he has not come forward to challenge the best guys in the world and I hope he comes. We want him."

http://sherdog.com/news/articles/1/1...fertitta-18516
07-15-2009 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
"Sherdog: There’s an online petition called FedorChant.com, where a thousand people are going to cheer “Fedor” (Emelianenko) during the main event (at UFC 100). Is that going to put more pressure on you, and just the fact that Fedor doesn’t want to sign because of sambo, was that something that you’d ever overlook?

Lorenzo Fertitta: I hope all 12,000 people yell Fedor’s name at the same time. The pressure’s not on me. The pressure’s on him. They already know. The facts are the facts. We made him the best offer out there, more money than anybody offered him –- so you can’t say it’s about the money. Then they come back and they say, “Well, it’s a one-sided contract.” Let’s break this down from a logical standpoint. We offered the exact same contract that three hundred other guys have signed, including Brock Lesnar, Chuck Liddell, Anderson Silva, GSP, all the top stars. Why is that contract not good enough for Fedor? What Fedor wants is this. He doesn’t want to be exclusive. So, it’s like saying, okay, Tom Brady: “I’m going to play for New England Patriots one Sunday, but you know what? After that game’s over, I want to be a free agent and go see where I can play for the rest of the season.” Every weekend he’s going to skip around and play for whoever he wants. How does that make sense for us as a business or for the fans? He needs to come into our fold if he wants to cement his legacy as the best fighter in the world. We can figure something out with the sambo thing… (but) at the end of the day, I think we need to have a situation where at least 90 or 120 days before he’s signed a contract to fight, he shouldn’t be out there competing in events like that because I don’t want to take the chance of him getting hurt. But all of this stuff with Fedor: we want Fedor. As soon as he gets done with this show that he’s doing, he can come –- we’ve never met Fedor. I want to sit down. I want to talk to him and that’s part of the problem. We’ve never even met the guy. But it is a shame that he has not come forward to challenge the best guys in the world and I hope he comes. We want him."

http://sherdog.com/news/articles/1/1...fertitta-18516
Although its been debated to death, I think both sides have pretty good arguments. The argument though, that others have signed this contract, is kinda dumb because just because other are willing to sign away all their rights doesn't mean he has to. I understand what they want, but they just are gonna have to give in and let him compete in sambo or something, at least compromise somewhere in the middle. I understand there stance on making him fight for them exclusively though.
07-15-2009 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by icepick
Please dear god let this be true and surface on the internet.


zomg-theres-a-gina-carano-sex-tape
It depends on how true this is:
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Originally Posted by KITCOPE(UG Forum)
Come on kiddies! Listen to the whole interview. The sex tape thing was OBVIOUSLY a joke response to a listener's question. I said that a bunch of times...
http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/?go=...1&page=1&pc=81
07-15-2009 , 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Chilltown
"Sherdog: There’s an online petition called FedorChant.com, where a thousand people are going to cheer “Fedor” (Emelianenko) during the main event (at UFC 100). Is that going to put more pressure on you, and just the fact that Fedor doesn’t want to sign because of sambo, was that something that you’d ever overlook?

Lorenzo Fertitta: I hope all 12,000 people yell Fedor’s name at the same time. The pressure’s not on me. The pressure’s on him. They already know. The facts are the facts. We made him the best offer out there, more money than anybody offered him –- so you can’t say it’s about the money. Then they come back and they say, “Well, it’s a one-sided contract.” Let’s break this down from a logical standpoint. We offered the exact same contract that three hundred other guys have signed, including Brock Lesnar, Chuck Liddell, Anderson Silva, GSP, all the top stars. Why is that contract not good enough for Fedor? What Fedor wants is this. He doesn’t want to be exclusive. So, it’s like saying, okay, Tom Brady: “I’m going to play for New England Patriots one Sunday, but you know what? After that game’s over, I want to be a free agent and go see where I can play for the rest of the season.” Every weekend he’s going to skip around and play for whoever he wants. How does that make sense for us as a business or for the fans? He needs to come into our fold if he wants to cement his legacy as the best fighter in the world. We can figure something out with the sambo thing… (but) at the end of the day, I think we need to have a situation where at least 90 or 120 days before he’s signed a contract to fight, he shouldn’t be out there competing in events like that because I don’t want to take the chance of him getting hurt. But all of this stuff with Fedor: we want Fedor. As soon as he gets done with this show that he’s doing, he can come –- we’ve never met Fedor. I want to sit down. I want to talk to him and that’s part of the problem. We’ve never even met the guy. But it is a shame that he has not come forward to challenge the best guys in the world and I hope he comes. We want him."

http://sherdog.com/news/articles/1/1...fertitta-18516
If Tom Brady told the Patriots (lets put him right after his 3rd superbowl win) that he wants a year to year contract, am I wrong in thinking that he'd get it and that they'd just scale back the amount they pay him? That analogy sounds horrible, and illustrates the strong-arming of UFC contracts.

I like how he says he's willing to budge on the Sambo competitions. If I remember correctly, that was a deal-breaker previously.
07-15-2009 , 06:11 PM
Plus its obvious that they come up and use that type of stuff when they want to hype events/movies etc.. when a pretty woman is involved.
07-15-2009 , 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Thug Bubbles
If Tom Brady told the Patriots (lets put him right after his 3rd superbowl win) that he wants a year to year contract, am I wrong in thinking that he'd get it and that they'd just scale back the amount they pay him? That analogy sounds horrible, and illustrates the strong-arming of UFC contracts.

I like how he says he's willing to budge on the Sambo competitions. If I remember correctly, that was a deal-breaker previously.
Is it really strong-arming Fedor if they say, "Hey, we'll let you face one of our best fighters (potentially Brock in a title fight) but we need you stay around for at least a couple more fights before you can fight somewhere else". It's not good business for them to let him come in, fight one fight and/or become the champ, and bolt.
07-15-2009 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by DonkeyKongSr
Is it really strong-arming Fedor if they say, "Hey, we'll let you face one of our best fighters (potentially Brock in a title fight) but we need you stay around for at least a couple more fights before you can fight somewhere else". It's not good business for them to let him come in, fight one fight and/or become the champ, and bolt.
This is spot on, but I don't see why they cant comprise by making him fight for them exclusive but also allow him to continue in sambo and grappling exhibitions. Yes he may get hurt but he is willing, and I think its more his choice then theirs.
07-15-2009 , 11:14 PM
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Originally Posted by caught_clean
This is spot on, but I don't see why they cant comprise by making him fight for them exclusive but also allow him to continue in sambo and grappling exhibitions. Yes he may get hurt but he is willing, and I think its more his choice then theirs.
You don't think this has come up at some point in discussions? I'm pretty sure the UFC is totally fine with that, but they can't allow a champion to fight for another organization. It would be a disaster. So the clause is, as long as he holds a belt he cannot leave. Fedor hasn't wanted to sign that.
07-15-2009 , 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by caught_clean
This is spot on, but I don't see why they cant comprise by making him fight for them exclusive but also allow him to continue in sambo and grappling exhibitions. Yes he may get hurt but he is willing, and I think its more his choice then theirs.
the thing is, it really screws them if he gets hurt competing for another organization or a tournament that isn't sanctioned by them. Say he's in one of the big Sambo competitions and somehow gets put into a nasty knee bar and damages his knee, UFC just got screwed as their top guy is out due to injury competing for someone that isn't them. THey are protecting themselves by standing firm on it, and honestly, its just common sense
07-15-2009 , 11:27 PM
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Originally Posted by KDawg
the thing is, it really screws them if he gets hurt competing for another organization or a tournament that isn't sanctioned by them. Say he's in one of the big Sambo competitions and somehow gets put into a nasty knee bar and damages his knee, UFC just got screwed as their top guy is out due to injury competing for someone that isn't them. THey are protecting themselves by standing firm on it, and honestly, its just common sense
Yeah, but I think at some point they'll give in, let him do sambo, and take that chance. Losing a big name fighter to injury is not as big of a issue as losing a big name fighter to the competition. Right now Fedor isn't a "household name", but the UFC can make him one. They don't want to make him one, just to see him fight on Affliction Quadrilogy or whatever.
07-16-2009 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by traz
You don't think this has come up at some point in discussions? I'm pretty sure the UFC is totally fine with that, but they can't allow a champion to fight for another organization. It would be a disaster. So the clause is, as long as he holds a belt he cannot leave. Fedor hasn't wanted to sign that.
No I understand it must of been discussed I'm just saying somethings gonna have to happen eventually. I mean fighting for another org is out of the question I agree, but saying he cant go in expos or sambo because he might get hurt... fighters get hurt training and pull out of fights all the time, I don't see why they wont take this risk, it ****s them but its his risk to take imo.
07-16-2009 , 12:32 AM
im pretty sure the fedor negotiations are hung up the champion's clause. as long as someone has the belt their current contract will never expire. fedor's first fight will be for the title and if he wins it, his value will skyrocket but he'll still have the same contract. his contract isn't guaranteed, so if he loses he may very well get immediately cut

edit: the sambo stuff seems like a total red herring floated by zuffa to make fedor look crazy
07-16-2009 , 12:46 AM
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Originally Posted by caught_clean
No I understand it must of been discussed I'm just saying somethings gonna have to happen eventually. I mean fighting for another org is out of the question I agree, but saying he cant go in expos or sambo because he might get hurt... fighters get hurt training and pull out of fights all the time, I don't see why they wont take this risk, it ****s them but its his risk to take imo.


its completely different if a fighter gets injured preparing for a fight for your own organization then if he gets injured while fighting for another organization while being under contract for you. In real life if you are as valuable to a company as Fedor is to any fighting organization, like hell would your company ever consider having you be a main attraction for another company that they don't give direct approval of. Its far from unreasonable that the Ferrittas would stand by this POV
07-16-2009 , 02:47 AM
OK I just got done watching 'Pride fighting decade' and it saddens me that I didn't get into mma in time to see all those super sick fights. From the looks of it Pride were the biggest org. around and had the best fighters at the time so why did they really sell to the ufc? DID they pay their fighters too much and go busto?

      
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