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07-26-2009 , 12:26 AM
I know it's a little late, but to me the real highlight of the radio show was Matt Serra, he must have said some variation of the phrase "I like the guy, but my point is it's just not that bright in here." literally 20+ times during the hour he was on referring to Rashad Evans wearing sunglasses inside the radio booth or wherever they were.

He was kinda buzzed from what he referred to as "smurf" drinks and pretty much hilarious the entire time.
07-26-2009 , 10:50 AM
M-1 President Vadim Finkelchtein Believes “Trilogy” Cancellation Could Create Window of Opportunity with the UFC

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“We are now with Fedor in the U.S. and we hope to make a decision about his next fight within the next few days,” Finkelchtein stated. “There are many business meetings and negotiations planned with all the major promotions. We will explore the possibility of Fedor fighting Barnett and will even look into whether the fight can take place as soon as August (since Barnett has not been suspended).

Finkelchtein also believes that the cancellation of “Trilogy” could be used as an opportunity to jump start stagnant negotiations to bring Fedor to the UFC.

“This is the moment of truth that the UFC has talked about. Fedor and I are here in the States. If they want to come out and fly here, we are ready to conduct negotiations. Of course it still doesn’t imply we are ready to accept any conditions they’ll throw at us. We want to talk to the UFC about having Fedor compete against some of their fighters, but only within the framework of co-promotional efforts with M-1 Global.”
So... Fedor's management is actually legally ******ed and Fedor will never fight in the UFC. Oh well.
07-26-2009 , 11:39 AM
vernon forrest shot and killed in atlanta last night

38 years old.

another boxing superstar cut down early.
07-26-2009 , 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ZeTurd
M-1 President Vadim Finkelchtein Believes “Trilogy” Cancellation Could Create Window of Opportunity with the UFC



So... Fedor's management is actually legally ******ed and Fedor will never fight in the UFC. Oh well.
Exactly....Fedor's management is going to dodge the UFC with that kind of jargon until the guy retires.
07-26-2009 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by willie
vernon forrest shot and killed in atlanta last night

38 years old.

another boxing superstar cut down early.

Great boxer. He certainly deserves some images.






I love the last pic cause you know who is about to get ****ed up!
07-26-2009 , 02:43 PM
2009 is going to be remembered as the year of celebrity deaths, and many of them from unfortunate circumstances. Very sad.

I can't say I was a huge Vernon Forrest fan but watching some his fights in the past allowed me to discover Ike Quartey and possibly the greatest jab in history. (Vernon beat him though )
07-26-2009 , 03:25 PM
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M-1 President Vadim Finkelchtein Believes “Trilogy” Cancellation Could Create Window of Opportunity with the UFC
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So... Fedor's management is actually legally ******ed and Fedor will never fight in the UFC. Oh well.
Can someone tell me what invested interest Fedor's management team has in M1? Lorenzo has already came out and said Fedor could compete in Sambo as long as the competitions where not within 120 days of a scheduled UFC fight, so his management can throw that excuse out the door.

Seriously do Fedor's management team own part of M1? I can't see any other reason why they would give a **** and constantly have this stipulation in negotiations with the UFC, and if they don't budge fedor wont ever fight cuz zero chance UFC go for any co-promotion idea.
07-26-2009 , 03:45 PM
The way I will remember Forrest is mainly to do with profound disappointment, mostly that he was killed for no reason whatsoever, and from an episode a while back as well. He was a very bright and well spoken man who commented on the potential of a Mayorga fight and said words to the effect that Mayorga had a very hard punch but the only hope that he had was to lure superior boxers into a slugging contest that was foolish for them to engage in. He said there was no way that he would be that foolish himself. His fights against Mosley were very intelligent however, and he was a superlative boxer and a very bright man, that is a pretty good epitaph if you ask me.
07-26-2009 , 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by rock-steady
Can someone tell me what invested interest Fedor's management team has in M1? Lorenzo has already came out and said Fedor could compete in Sambo as long as the competitions where not within 120 days of a scheduled UFC fight, so his management can throw that excuse out the door.

Seriously do Fedor's management team own part of M1? I can't see any other reason why they would give a **** and constantly have this stipulation in negotiations with the UFC, and if they don't budge fedor wont ever fight cuz zero chance UFC go for any co-promotion idea.
Apparently, Fedor and his management together are the owners of M-1.
07-26-2009 , 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by rock-steady
Can someone tell me what invested interest Fedor's management team has in M1? Lorenzo has already came out and said Fedor could compete in Sambo as long as the competitions where not within 120 days of a scheduled UFC fight, so his management can throw that excuse out the door.

Seriously do Fedor's management team own part of M1? I can't see any other reason why they would give a **** and constantly have this stipulation in negotiations with the UFC, and if they don't budge fedor wont ever fight cuz zero chance UFC go for any co-promotion idea.
I don't think there is zero chance of a co-promotion. There is no other Fedor, and that is the fight the people want. Dana may decide a chunk of something HUGE is better than to retain his 100% control of a smaller pie. He could say publicly that he is going to make a concession like this every single time there is a fighter that has dominated as much as Fedor has, but in no other cases. It would be funny and he could stop the slippery slope problems.
07-26-2009 , 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Kentucky Buddha
I don't think there is zero chance of a co-promotion. There is no other Fedor, and that is the fight the people want. Dana may decide a chunk of something HUGE is better than to retain his 100% control of a smaller pie. He could say publicly that he is going to make a concession like this every single time there is a fighter that has dominated as much as Fedor has, but in no other cases. It would be funny and he could stop the slippery slope problems.
As long as Dana is alive there is no chance of a co-promotion, particularly with M-1, which is a total joke.
07-26-2009 , 04:20 PM
"Lorenzo has already came out and said Fedor could compete in Sambo as long as the competitions where not within 120 days of a scheduled UFC fight, so his management can throw that excuse out the door."

LOL. This would effectively cut him out of Sambo.
07-26-2009 , 04:20 PM
feels like its a stupid move on M1s part even if they want fedor on their own card.... the amount of hype he would receive would be so ridiculous, and that would carry back to M1.... hes selling 80k PPVS now, not even? bah
07-26-2009 , 04:41 PM
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LOL. This would effectively cut him out of Sambo.
the interview said 90 or 120 days, also fedor would'nt fight more than twice a year in the UFC, and the fights would obv be scheduled so that he could compete in sambo
07-26-2009 , 05:15 PM
Why do people persist in acting like US pay-per-view sales are the only money that comes in?

The primary risk for M-1 would be if he loses. If he loses the first time in the UFC then people can start the Roy Jones mantra in the States. He would still have a market in Japan pretty much no matter how bad he looked though.

I think Dana White is a pretty practical guy. If he thinks he can just wince over deal he doesn't like once and get rid of the annoying little gnat that has been Fedor for a long time, I suspect that he might be inclined to do it more than you might think.
07-26-2009 , 06:06 PM
That statement from M-1 is hilarious. I can imagine the vein pulsing from Dana's forehead after he read the last sentence. At this point I'm just hoping that Fedor ends up with Strikeforce instead of going back to Japan.
07-26-2009 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by MikeyPatriot
"Lorenzo has already came out and said Fedor could compete in Sambo as long as the competitions where not within 120 days of a scheduled UFC fight, so his management can throw that excuse out the door."

LOL. This would effectively cut him out of Sambo.
yeah, 120 days is 4 months. which is a lot. if it's no sambo within 4 months of a ufc event with fedor, that's 8 straight months of no sambo from just a single event. so lets just assume that it was supposed to be 120 days of no sambo prior to an event, which makes quite a bit more sense.

and if fedor was in the ufc, he would fight 3 times a year.
07-26-2009 , 07:58 PM
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Originally Posted by luegofuego
feels like its a stupid move on M1s part even if they want fedor on their own card.... the amount of hype he would receive would be so ridiculous, and that would carry back to M1.... hes selling 80k PPVS now, not even? bah
Except that as long as Fedor is winning he's completely stuck in the UFC. I highly doubt we'll ever see Fedor sign a contract with the UFC's infamous champions clause. And, afaik, there's been no talk of Dana/Lorenza making an exception on that for Fedor.
07-26-2009 , 08:09 PM
yeah i don't know why everybody always talks about competing in sambo, that's pretty much a non-issue compared to things like the champion extension and lifetime image/sponsorship rights parts of the UFC's contracts.
07-26-2009 , 09:20 PM
The UFC contract is, as I understand it bad, not a little bad...Survivor bad. I hope Fedor doesn't do that. I would not be surprised if concessions are made on both sides.
07-26-2009 , 09:57 PM
i think it's time for the UFC to have one extra weight class. Everyone 225+ should be a superheavyweight. Everyone between 205-225 is reg heavyweight. This wasn't an issue before, but now that there are some really big dudes out there who can really brawl instead of just the occasional huge freak like Sylvia, we need this.

Brock Walks around at 280+ or whatever. His freakishness has permanently changed the sport.
07-26-2009 , 10:18 PM
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Originally Posted by VORP
Except that as long as Fedor is winning he's completely stuck in the UFC. I highly doubt we'll ever see Fedor sign a contract with the UFC's infamous champions clause. And, afaik, there's been no talk of Dana/Lorenza making an exception on that for Fedor.
Yup, I really don't have any sympathy for the UFC here.

There's no way Fedor is going to let himself get caught in the future with no leverage to renegotiate except (legitimate) retirement when he has some chance of becoming a mainstream star and general fighter salaries will probably be rising very rapidly.
07-26-2009 , 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by SNOWBALL
i think it's time for the UFC to have one extra weight class. Everyone 225+ should be a superheavyweight. Everyone between 205-225 is reg heavyweight. This wasn't an issue before, but now that there are some really big dudes out there who can really brawl instead of just the occasional huge freak like Sylvia, we need this.

Brock Walks around at 280+ or whatever. His freakishness has permanently changed the sport.
Hold off on this for 5 years imo. The heavyweight division is already watered down enough as it is, and can't really support an extra weight class.
07-26-2009 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by gehrig
Yup, I really don't have any sympathy for the UFC here.

There's no way Fedor is going to let himself get caught in the future with no leverage to renegotiate except (legitimate) retirement when he has some chance of becoming a mainstream star and general fighter salaries will probably be rising very rapidly.
The Champions Clause is good for the sport in the long run because it protects the legitimacy of the belts. One of the main reasons for the UFC's rise and boxing's decline is that the UFC's belts actually mean something. Yes, the HW belt is cheapened by Fedor not being in the UFC, but that is the exception.
07-26-2009 , 11:26 PM
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Originally Posted by slickpoppa
The Champions Clause is good for the sport in the long run because it protects the legitimacy of the belts. One of the main reasons for the UFC's rise and boxing's decline is that the UFC's belts actually mean something. Yes, the HW belt is cheapened by Fedor not being in the UFC, but that is the exception.
Yea the result is true of the clause but its still not fair to the fighter. Its hard to get both I guess.

      
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