Soaked in bleach - very good watch and I am now nearly fully convinced this was a murder and the case should definitely be re-opened.

Toe Tag Parole - not too much to say on it, good documentary although very similar to most other prison documentaries.

Murder rap: Inside the Biggie and Tupac murders.

Not really a fan of either, but still found this a very interesting documentary. A lot better than that Nick Bloomfield one from years back.

Listen To Me Marlon

I didn't know that much about Marlon Brando before, but this was a very well done and compelling biography. Throughout the movie there's clips of audio tapes Brando made where he talks to himself about a variety of subjects, including self hypnosis.

5/5

I disagree quite a bit about Soaked in Bleach. Not that great imo. The filmmaker's lack of access was a real problem imo. The whole thing came off a bit like the conspiracy theory of a money grubbing private investigator, which is pretty much what it is.

While I agree that the question of whether he could have shot himself after slamming so much heroin is interesting, I find the idea that Courtney Love (or someone working at her behest) dosed him with a potentially fatal slug of heroin, and then shot him, to be equally implausible. If CL wanted to kill him, then why involve a gun? Just pump him full of an absurd amount of H and let the world think he OD'd. Wayyyyyy easier to get away with.

I recommend Welcome to Leith.It's the story of how a notorious white supremacist bought up land in a tiny, tiny town in North Dakota with the intention of moving in enough white supremacists to control the local gov't.

Rocco,

I think Ben Statler, the filmmaker, had plenty of access. Tom Grant, the p.i., gave him hours of recorded conversations between Grant and other various players. Ben was able to get interviews from Cobains long term friends and former band members. As well as an interview from the first responder at the death scene....Not sure what you mean by lack of access?

As far as Tom Grant goes, everyone has a right to be compensated for their time and he seems to be well received and respected by everyone he's come in contact with...Don't kid yourself he hasn't made MILLIONS off of Cobains death, probably closer to HUNDREDS after considering expenses.

The Rome incident earlier in the year, when Cobain supposedly O.D. on rhophys and champagne and was in a comma could be the reason a shotgun was in play at the time of his death.

Soaked in Bleach is an excellent primer into Cobains death, its intent is to deliver the main facts of the case to the general public. The side narrative is just how easy the media can influence what society chooses to believe. Definitely worth a watch!

Making a Murderer is a must watch. I am in awe of this story. Flew through 7/10 eps in two days.

Just watched Jinx: the life and death of robert durst. It was spectacular.

Is Making a Murderer similar?

Any recommendations on the best true crime docs in a similar tone?

2/10 and agree thoroughly so far

Update having watched Making a Murderer episode 3: Do NOT watch this series, it will infuriate you.

You've been warned.

I'd say Making A Murderer is better. Similar? The Staircase

Here's a few good ones that come to mind:

The Cheshire Murders
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUnbgt3pOiQ

Death by Fire
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/death-by-fire/

Thin Blue Line
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2-3McbAxVk

3 1/2 Minutes and Ten Bullets
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miVCpmX2mHk

Dear Zachary
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpkqfZ95jtw

How do you know that this PI is "money grubbing"? Can you provide something to back that up?

What do you mean by lack of access? Just because Love wasn't interviewed? Do you actually think Love would've agreed to an interview in a doc that was intent on exposing all of her lies? She'd have nothing to gain from it.

While shooting Cobain may have been unnecessary, that's nowhere near enough to convince me that Love was not involved. There is far more evidence and motives to point to Love's involvement than there is illogical reasons why she wouldn't have been involved.

- why did she repeatedly lie to the PI, especially about things she clearly would've known about Cobain, like what type of hotels he stays at?

- how do you explain the notebook in which she was practicing Cobain's handwriting? Who does that, unless they're planning something ultra shady?

- why did every person who knew Cobain instantly think the suicide note was fake when they saw it?

There are way too many unanswered questions to simply brush it off as some greedy PI cashing in on his involvement with the case. You can't ignore the evidence, even if the PI's motivations are selfish.

You seem easilly infuriated kinda guy tho.

If you're in awe of this story why not tell us why you're so gripped by this documentary?

Do I know you?

At any rate, I'd be a little shocked at anyone that didn't find the behavior of the police towards a mentally handicapped 16 year old in episodes 3 and 4 infuriating. Even the judge's attitude is just bizarre.

I'm not sure I've ever believed in any conspiracy theory I've ever been exposed to, but thus far I'm very inclined to believe what MaM is pitching.

Thin Blue Line is still the best true-crime doc ever.

Call Me Lucky

Directed by Bobcat Goldthwait. Comedian Barry Crimmins tells his story about his career, and about getting raped as a child. When AOL was just getting started, Crimmins started investigating child pornography and feeding info to the FBI. The FBI's response was "wtf is the internet, we don't even have PCs at our offices lol." He spoke at a congressional hearing alongside a spokesman for AOL, and totally embarrassed the guy and AOL with all the evidence he had that AOL was doing nothing about the kiddie porns.

His stand-up was very political and he'd often shout at people and get really pissed if people didn't understand his jokes. Thus, he never made it big, but he influenced a lot of younger comedians.

3/5

I stopped watching Making a Murderer after episode 3. Dear Zachary was horrendous but only 2 hours long. Making a Murderer is 10 hours long.

And I agree with RT, infuriating would be an understatement.

I was totally enthralled by The Jinx and The Staircase. I am on a constant pursuit of similiar docu's/docu mini series. So very excited to hear about this Making a Murderer.

Top Spin

Three 16yr olds try to qualify for the US Olympic table tennis team. This was good but I wish they'd gone into a bit more detail about how high level table tennis is played.

4/5

Making a Murderer is captivating. It draws you in and plays on your emotions. The problem is that a good documentary shows both sides and this one is extremely one sided. Once you start doing some research about what was left out you will be equally angry at the film makers. It doesn't take away from the incompetence of the public defender, the police, or the prosecutor, but it definitely takes away from the possible innocence of Steven Avery. While watching it, I'd give it a 10/10, after the fact probably a 7/10.

Can you link to some post-watch reading that you found helpful? Would be interesting to check it out after getting through MaM

Most of the stuff I've read was posted on the Reddit making a murder sub.

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