I don't know if she was officially offered a shot at Ronda at 135 but Ronda has said multiple times she'd fight Cyborg at 135. Every time it's brought up to Cyborg she always claims 135 isn't possible and pretends Ronda is ducking her by not agreeing to fight at 140 or 145. If she's never been offered a shot at the BW belt it's only because the UFC knows Cyborg won't make or won't even try to make weight.

i mean lets not pretend ronda didn't duck her in the first place by switching to 135.

ronda said she could beat cain ffs.

Under the right circumstances, though.

I see what you all are saying and I still think there is some bias against her. Personally i dgaf about ped use, but for those that do there are varying degrees of double standard being floated. She is not the only female to use them and there are tons of men who have. Anthony Johnson basically admitted it. The pearl clutching over the unfair advantage is not accurate because lots of fighters use them even if not to the extent she did/does.

Also, wanting to fight at her most optimal weight is not crazy. Yes she could lose some muscle and be able to cut weight to 35 and yes she used the "impossibility" of that cut to try to get a bigger weight class. So the **** what? It worked.This is why I think people don't like her and that bias clouds their perception of her actions. She has done what many fighters have done. Her not wanting to fight Ronda at 35 is not that different than Ronda refusing to come up, and the belt argument is only relevant if you decide to make it so.

Not making an 8 week cut to fight for the belt they created at your request seems unreasonable in a bubble. The thing is she had a few very tough weight cuts recently and the belt wasn't created for her if they, for some reason out of the blue need to make this weight class in 2 months after refusing forever. I'm not even that big of a fan of hers, what she is saying just makes more sense to me than you guys.

I'd fight Struve at 205. Doesn't mean I'd fight Struve.

sea level cain?

I have no problem with what Cyborg did as long as we recognize it for what it is, a negotiating tactic to make fights happen at terms favorable to her. And at the same time we recognize that it made no sense for Ronda to fight her at those terms.

It's quite understandable Cyborg didn't want to drop weight by cutting muscle mass, but she wasn't in a position to make a Ronda fight happen at 140-145 and at a certain point the negotiating became ridiculous.

Now she's got a 145 division, good on her.

I agree with all of this except how ridic people think it is that Ronda would possibly move up to fight her. There are plenty of examples of fighter doing this when they believe they are the best. Conor, obv. Bj penn. AS. When Ronda was supposed to beat any woman on earth and most men it was not that strange an idea especially since she fought at that weight before.

She didn't have to do it if she didn't want to and she didn't want to. Cyborg was tryna make her want to. Who gives a ****?

i 2nd that

Nick Diaz finally did a podcast. I'm only a few minutes in and it's not bad.

She has no excuse. Stop lifting heavy weights and start working pure cardio and technique and cut calories and she could easily drop 10 pounds of muscle and maybe a little fat. She would still probably be the biggest, physically strongest fighter in her weight class. I was solid as **** a while back at 175 and easily dropped to 160 when I stopped lifting and cut calories. Having extra muscle is no excuse for refusing to cut weight.

shh dont be a hater, cyborg is totally reasonable

So I just noticed Jon Jones has the absolute best twitter picture. I believe he updated it shortly after he received his suspension:

I think UFC should do a womans 145+ to 265 division. Ensure fights are in Japan. Profit.

She has nothing to excuse. She does what she wants like everyone else. She wants to be as powerful as possible because that suits her style. With the weight she has decided to maintain and how she prefers to train she can't/won't cut that weight to hit 135. Why is there some expectation that she should or else she is out of line? If it is the rousey call out claiming she is looking for an advantage is not any more valid than rousey looking for an advantage except that it would be much easier and healthier for rousey to fight at 40 or 45.

Johnny seemingly being a huge Cyborg fan was ... not expected.

I dgaf personally, not really interested in any girl fights except for a Zingano/Nunes rematch - that was fire.

Rogan really is dumb af. Naive on almost everything in the world but fighting technique.

http://www.mmamania.com/2016/12/19/1...e-amanda-nunes

His podcast is pretty bad most of the time, curious and inquisitive dude but there's never any critical thinking going on.

I prefer Stann on color but Rogan is still enjoyable in that role.

I'm not a fan of hers, I don't care if she ever fights again. I don't understand the hate she gets though. It's "unreasonable" for her to not drop weight or want to fight rousey at 40 or 45 is more af a fan or anti-fan based argument.

If she was better looking, or male, she would not have this odd standard applied to her. It really boils down to the point that often punctuates the hater side--"she looka lika man." I accept that a female fighter being ****able is going to make or break her popularity, but picking on the ones that don't give you a boner is unnecessary.

"omg! She is so ridic to ask for a comfortable weight! Omg! Why she tryna have a size advantage!! Omg! 300lb (lol) deadlift!?!? How dare she!?!?! Steroids! She used steroids! (Like almost all pro athletes of both genders)!!1!"

It all translates to "she gots a dick".

Most guys would get criticized for turning down a championship fight in a new weight class they lobbied for.

I don't necessarily like watching her because it feels unfair, if Fallon Fox was dominant I wouldn't care to watch her either. You're right that a lot of it is because she seems half-man, yes and?

She also seems like a hypocrite. It's a worse version of Aldo saying anytime, anywhere er never mind. It's 8 weeks out man. I don't care but it's not very defensible.

You're conflating her masculinity with affinity for attraction. I don't care what a fighter looks like. I actually prefer female fighters to be uglier than pretty.

Idk. Enough people disagree that I accept I am missing something but I still don't see it. She lobbied for the class. They said no over and over. She fought anyway below a weight that was healthy for her no matter what people think she should have done to make it easier, then they create the weight class despite her not being ready to fight. Why? What is the point of any of it? This code of the fight business is weird to me. I buy into it sometimes and then it gets dismissed whole cloth--i.e. Conor. The politics of it is ****ing stupid. Period. I mean rousey is getting an instant shot with no complaints from anyone but people will debate endlessly how Aldo didn't deserve a rematch even after beating Frankie.

Who gives a **** if she wanted the weight class. It is a great decision on her part to wait and then take the belt from whoever wins this fight if it means she fights healthy. Both for her long term health and for her results. Everyone can love fighters like cowboy for being tough but it clearly is not a good career decision.

I just don't agree that she should care how it looks, and I also don't agree it is a bad look. I think both are irrelevant and worth nothing to her career or brand unless the UFC retaliates just to be dicks.

is it weird to be anti fighters you know are cheating?

I can definitely understand why people don't like Cyborg just like some people don't like Brock.

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She's gonna work whoever she fights. Her not being ready I assume has to do with cycling, I'm speaking out of my depth on that one though.

So if you give someone what they ask for, with plenty of notice for the fight game, them turning it down isn't noteworthy. Agree to disagree.

If she would've just stfu and not been so loud about everything it would be different. If the UFC offered Conor to Aldo, or Bones to Cormier, with 8 weeks notice and he turned it down, we'd all throw our hands up at that too.