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Old 03-12-2018, 02:44 PM   #7151
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Also, I can't claim credit for that picture - I was running late and it's what my friend texted me to encourage me to hurry over.
I knew something had to be amiss, spidercrab would never play us like that with a beer photo
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Old 03-12-2018, 02:56 PM   #7152
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These were the beers I brought:



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Anna was the one I had been most looking forward to. And the first taste was a little disappointing - it just didn't hit me the right way. Later on in the night, when I had another glass, I thought it was wonderful. My immediate reaction was that it reminded me of pickle juice, in a good way. I really want to try this again to figure out what's going on.
I wish I knew more people around here into saisons and sours than hype whalez and NEIPAs... what I bring to shares vs. what's available is very similar to your experience.

In the past couple of weeks I had a local blender / new saison place's beer with a strong pickle off flavor, that also hit me the wrong way and doing some searching after that, it looks like that is likely acedic acid from (probably unwanted vs. the desired?) souring bacteria. This was a base saison with mangoes. IANAB so idk really anything about the souring process other than the steps in general, so I can't contribute more on why this was. Really vinegary though, I am guessing we tasted the same thing.

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Old 03-12-2018, 11:16 PM   #7153
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Beer thoughts:

- Went to Chicago this last weekend to visit a friend and stopped in Mikerphone. They don't open until 3pm on Friday which sucks because that means you're definitely gonna hit ****ty traffic getting into downtown Chicago, but it was worth it. Picked up a few bottles. Had a couple of IPAs of theirs and a small pour of Imperial Smells Like Bean Spirit Cafe Con Leche. That's a lot of name. But it was pretty good, maybe a touch sweet but a good share beer I think. I got 3 bottles of the normal Imperial Smells Like Bean Spirit (one for our host, 2 for us) - interested to try those. Their IPAs were really, really good. It's hard for me to be impressed by NEIPAs these days but they were among the best I've had, and I think the best in the midwest.

- As for Hill Farmstead, I think they're the best brewery in the world by a large margin. Their beers are pretty much perfect across the board. The only bad one I had was "Convivial Suarez", which was a Grassroots offering. But Brother Soigne was also Grassroots and was outstanding. I like all of the non-BA saisons a lot. I've had a Juicy, Vera Mae, and BA Dorothy and they were all incredible as well. Love these guys, though I've not had any of their BA dark beers. I'd love to try M&C 10, specifically, but so it goes.
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Old 03-12-2018, 11:21 PM   #7154
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Re: The Beer connoisseur thread

Beer nerdery these days seems all about pastry stouts with low bottle counts, despite the fact most of these breweries couldn't brew and barrel age a base stout beer that even approaches BCBS. But, that's fine for me, because the HF shelf saisons are pretty relatively easy to trade for now.
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Old 03-12-2018, 11:34 PM   #7155
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Beer nerdery these days seems all about pastry stouts with low bottle counts, despite the fact most of these breweries couldn't brew and barrel age a base stout beer that even approaches BCBS.
I agree with the first part, all the low bottle counts drive the values up incredibly high.

The 2nd part I find to be hit or miss. When they hit, some of those BA stouts (pastry or not) are incredible, some of the best beer I've had. Recently, Side Project's Derivations, the two I had might be the best two stouts I've ever had (no pastry there though). When they miss it's awful. In either case I find myself scratching my head on why people would wait overnight or spend several hundred dollars on the bottles.

I like BCBS a lot too, but I've noticed (coincidence or not) that some of the recent BA stouts I've had that I prefer over it have some oats in them and, a lot of chocolate malts and were barrel aged for 12-18 months before being blended (I'd imagine BCBS is 12 months and then it's blended, but no oats there and not a chocolate bomb. The recipe is public, or at least an iteration of it from the last few years).
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:13 PM   #7156
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Someone was asking about coconut beers, and I'd pretty strongly advise against trading/spending what it takes to pull Prop 14 or 13. Those bottles are just so old that the coconut is gonna be pretty gone. I recently traded for and drank a Vanilla Rye and it wasn't the same beer it was 2 years ago.

But you know what is amazing and is far easier to get? Bourbon Paradise. Speaking of Bourbon Paradise, Prairie (and American Solera) are both getting distributed to Wisconsin now. I'm giddy. In fact I bought 3 AS bottles just now.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:42 PM   #7157
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Re: The Beer connoisseur thread

Beer thread help out a newbie. Iím still relatively new to the variety of beer types and profiles out there. Iíve definitely drank my share of macro and mid sized brewery IPAs etc, past year or so got into BA bourbon stouts but that got old quickly. Too sweet and couldnít really enjoy a full bottle.

I just bought today beers in pic below. Iíd like to try some saisons, farmhouse/Wild ale, sour ales. Also looking to try some old world styles that havenít really made it across. This is why I got the rauchbier which I find intriguing. It may not travel well but thinking about a short trip to Berlin for a few days followed by a trip to Bavaria centered around one type of Bavarian beer like rauchbier in Bamberg.

Sorry for the wall of text. Iíll try to post pics and my tasting notes as I try these.

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Old 03-13-2018, 07:48 PM   #7158
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Someone was asking about coconut beers, and I'd pretty strongly advise against trading/spending what it takes to pull Prop 14 or 13. Those bottles are just so old that the coconut is gonna be pretty gone. I recently traded for and drank a Vanilla Rye and it wasn't the same beer it was 2 years ago.



But you know what is amazing and is far easier to get? Bourbon Paradise. Speaking of Bourbon Paradise, Prairie (and American Solera) are both getting distributed to Wisconsin now. I'm giddy. In fact I bought 3 AS bottles just now.



Highly recommend Prairie Paradise Coconut Imperial Stout. Hereís itís under $10 and not too hard to find.
I know you said that you donít like porters but I really liked Oskar Death By Coconut.
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Old 03-13-2018, 07:54 PM   #7159
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Beer thread help out a newbie. Iím still relatively new to the variety of beer types and profiles out there. Iíve definitely drank my share of macro and mid sized brewery IPAs etc, past year or so got into BA bourbon stouts but that got old quickly. Too sweet and couldnít really enjoy a full bottle.

I just bought today beers in pic below. Iíd like to try some saisons, farmhouse/Wild ale, sour ales. Also looking to try some old world styles that havenít really made it across. This is why I got the rauchbier which I find intriguing. It may not travel well but thinking about a short trip to Berlin for a few days followed by a trip to Bavaria centered around one type of Bavarian beer like rauchbier in Bamberg.

Sorry for the wall of text. Iíll try to post pics and my tasting notes as I try these.

Thanks

Based on that selection of beers I'm guessing you're in Texas.

Saison Dupont is a classic belgian farmhouse beer, bready and clovey. It's kind of the benchmark of that style, and a very good beer to have.

I don't care for smoked beers a lot so Rauchbier isn't my style, but in general those are some good breweries and beers. In your neck, American Solera and Jester King are worth trying for good wild ales. Both are among the very best in the country at it.
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:04 PM   #7160
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Nit,

I wouldnít worry about it too much and just start trying some saisons and sours. If itís on the pricey side, do a quick search here and/or beer advocate to make sure everyone doesnít say it sucks.

Do that and post some thoughts here, and people can guide you to stuff youíre likely to love.

I enjoy pretty much every wild ale I try, so thatís an easy one.
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Old 03-13-2018, 08:09 PM   #7161
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Beer peeps,

Was just trying to do a little grocery shopping and got waylaid.



Pretty good selection for the grocery store bar. And a $1 off happy hour!



Finally trying CBS. I like it fine, but I think I prefer KBS and definitely prefer coffee BCBS and even regular BCBS. I just prefer more of the coffee flavor over the extra maple sweetness. I mean, this is definitely a tasty beer. Just donít really love it is all. I do really like the creamy mouthfeel, very smooth and enjoyable drinking for something this big and sweet.

Edit: how much was retail this year? $8/8oz seems like a pretty good price no?

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Old 03-13-2018, 08:17 PM   #7162
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Based on that selection of beers I'm guessing you're in Texas.



Saison Dupont is a classic belgian farmhouse beer, bready and clovey. It's kind of the benchmark of that style, and a very good beer to have.



I don't care for smoked beers a lot so Rauchbier isn't my style, but in general those are some good breweries and beers. In your neck, American Solera and Jester King are worth trying for good wild ales. Both are among the very best in the country at it.


I thought DuPont would be a good measuring stick.

Iíve never had a Rauchbier so curious if Iíll like it. Really intrigued by some of the non standard German. Styles and this definitely fits into that.

Thank you for for the local beer recs, exactly what Iím looking for.
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:15 PM   #7163
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Nit,

I wouldnít worry about it too much and just start trying some saisons and sours. If itís on the pricey side, do a quick search here and/or beer advocate to make sure everyone doesnít say it sucks.

Do that and post some thoughts here, and people can guide you to stuff youíre likely to love.

I enjoy pretty much every wild ale I try, so thatís an easy one.


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Old 03-13-2018, 09:22 PM   #7164
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Beer peeps,

Was just trying to do a little grocery shopping and got waylaid.



Pretty good selection for the grocery store bar. And a $1 off happy hour!



Finally trying CBS. I like it fine, but I think I prefer KBS and definitely prefer coffee BCBS and even regular BCBS. I just prefer more of the coffee flavor over the extra maple sweetness. I mean, this is definitely a tasty beer. Just donít really love it is all. I do really like the creamy mouthfeel, very smooth and enjoyable drinking for something this big and sweet.

Edit: how much was retail this year? $8/8oz seems like a pretty good price no?


Seems like a good price I paid $20 for a bomber.

Looks like youíre at WF. Iím not a fan of the bar flies at WF. Never made sense to go to WF to hang out and drink.

Now that being said I love getting a beer to have while shopping just need to navigate the bar flies who think Iím weird for getting a beer while shopping.
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Old 03-13-2018, 09:26 PM   #7165
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Nit,

I donít know anything about home improvement or much about fixing stuff, youíre on your own there. I figure people train long and hard to become expert at plumbing, car repair, construction, etc, so I respect their expertise and let them do it.

I can tell you this, though. If you see some supplication or consecration, get it. Theyíre great!

I suspect thatíll be a little more challenging in Texas than in sf, though. Just read a description, gonna grab a prairie ace next time.
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Old 03-13-2018, 10:47 PM   #7166
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Bode - Iíve got some beers from Portland if you want to trade. Feel free to DM me. Iíve got some Swish, Substance, and Venture from Foundation.


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Old 03-13-2018, 11:30 PM   #7167
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Regarding coconut beers - the Bruery thread on BA (which is prone to occasional takeovers by super nitty arguments) recently had a coconut tangent with people bitching that a recent beer, Mounds of Coconut (BA imperial stout w/ toasted coconut), didn't have enough coconut flavor. It drew enough attention that Patrick Rue wrote an interesting post about it:

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I personally think Mounds of Coconut has a well integrated but not overwhelming flavor of coconut. With the name as it is, and how the beer is described (it does contain a lot of coconut!), I can see why most of you would want more coconut flavor.

The toasting process does generally make the coconut more "toasty", closely matching the qualities of the beer itself, so some of it gets masked by the base beer. Raw coconut can be astringent, so we've been toasting to remove this and give more of a baked macaroon flavor. Infection is a bigger issue with raw coconut, but with our flash pasteurizer, we're able to deal with that. We do have to centrifuge the beer before pasteurizer, so this likely removed some of the oils that promote a stronger coconut flavor.

It's worth mentioning that many of the beers that have been listed (I won't say which) as having a strong coconut flavor are using flavor extracts. I find the coconut flavor from flavor extracts to have a chemical quality, and it's very easy to overdo the flavor. If you haven't smelled coconut extract in its base form, it may be difficult to pick up the chemical, artificial qualities of it.

We generally avoid using extracts, particularly when a certain flavor can be achieved with the actual ingredient. Extracts are very inexpensive and can be applied in minutes. Buying coconut, toasting it, adding it to a tank, recirculating the tank to maximize coconut contact, leaving the beer on the coconut for an extended period of time, then racking the beer to another tank (usually with centrifugation and pasteurization in between) is expensive and takes a lot of labor.

Glad many of you are enjoying the beer! It's a personal favorite right now, particularly the richness and smooth quality of the base beer.

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Old 03-14-2018, 12:43 AM   #7168
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So So good. Reciprocal is pretty great too and all they're stuff is really good. Great place
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The hazy beers from Tired Hands are a bit overrated in my mind. I didnít have any of their milkshakes because they arenít on now but I had 4 different hoppy beers and they arenít as good as Wisconsinís best hazy. Hell there was some brewery called Levante out here on tap at dinner tonight that was better than a couple of their offerings. The saisonhands was amazing though. HF level flavor. Which is good cause I got 6 different BA variants of it.


Agree. While they do some good stuff I think they're one of the most overhyped breweries out there
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Old 03-14-2018, 02:06 PM   #7170
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Second the Bourbon Paradise recomendation for coconut beers. That is one of my favorite Prarie's ever, but it may be harder to find now. Regular Paradise is a great beer also, no shame in that.

I got a bomber of coconut VAS a few months ago and drain poured the whole thing after a few sips. It sat in my fridge for a few months and had a terrible astringent flavor and the coconut tasted like cheap coconut extract. Not sure if i got a bad bottle or if this is just how it is.

Last snow from Funky Budha in Florida is a great coffee/coconut porter that shouldn't be too hard to get ahold of.
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Old 03-14-2018, 10:19 PM   #7171
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This isnít bad but not living up to expectations. Itís probably the only somewhat available local NEIPA. Itís good but not fantastic, just seems to be lacking something.

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Beer peeps,

Had a couple beers tonight.

SARA quality of life - barrel aged dubbel with cherries. Damn is this good, but most everything they do is.

Alpine Nelson - rarely see this anymore. Such a good, clean ipa. Love it.
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I mainly read this thread as beer porn and to maybe get some inspiration here and there to try new stuff, as the selection of beers over here is vastly different than in the states. (Although I just thought doing some sort of exchange might be fun, but you guys would likely get shorted).

I am just getting into home brewing, and was wondering - I couldn't find a home brewing thread around here, are none of you guys brewing yourself? Hard to imagine none of 2+2 is, but I didn't find one in neither EDF nor in OOT.
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Had Ballast Point VAS Coconut last night. Thought it was great, had two.
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Upcoming lineup at my house:

- Death by Coconut
- Coco Van
- Coconut Jones Dog

In non-coconut news, tried Permanent Funeral
and was very impressed. More fruit/sweetness than I expected from the smell and from 3F in general. Though I really liked it with some super cheap greasy pizza, I liked it even more when I ran out of pizza.

Next up in the non-stout division at home is Fire Skulls & Money. Really excited to be getting more TG stuff in Chicago.
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