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11-06-2007 , 12:22 AM
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how do u adjust to floater?
What school you go?
Correct answer is obviously flush again.
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11-06-2007 , 12:54 AM
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ur graduating in May? me too...wanna get a few 2p2rs and get a house out in Vegas ? (serious, cuz im moving out to Vegas in June)

I know you were talking to TooEazy, However, this is something I would also be very interested in, however, moreso LA then Vegas.
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11-06-2007 , 01:05 AM
POKER HOUSE!
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11-06-2007 , 01:09 AM
I will need a place to stay if I come to Vegas in summer. obv pointless for me to live there but you guys can give me a place to stay for a week or two, K?

WTF why move to LA when you can have a poker house in Vegas?
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11-06-2007 , 01:10 AM
I am planning on spending next summer in Vegas from Mid June until Mid August assuming I make enough before then to afford it comfortably and still have a bankroll. Maybe we should make a thread about this.
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11-06-2007 , 01:15 AM
k then im coming to vegas
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11-06-2007 , 01:18 AM
i wanna go too, not being 21 sucks
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11-06-2007 , 01:30 AM
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I will need a place to stay if I come to Vegas in summer. obv pointless for me to live there but you guys can give me a place to stay for a week or two, K?

WTF why move to LA when you can have a poker house in Vegas?
LA poker > Vegas Poker

Vegas gets old.

But if a lot of guys from this forum want to get a house in Vegas for a few months or longer or shorter or whenver... I'm totally down, it would be an awesome time.
And GM, not being 21 it doesnt matter that much honestly.

Enough hijacking TooEazys well, new thread?


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11-06-2007 , 02:15 AM
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why do you flat call reraises from utg vs utg+1 with 22 and 100bb?

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It's situational. Generally I do it because if I raise UTG and someone raises UTG+1 I assign them a range of AK QQ KK AA more often than not no matter what they're stats unless they're mega spewtard. Therefore, I think I have more than the 8:1 to hit a set for stacks because I think I get paid off here almost every time by a regular and most of the time by a tightfish. If you feel this is flawed I'm open to discussion, and in fact hoping for discussion .

lol im such an ass, it was someone else that stacked me with 22 after calling my potsize reraise oop utg at stars 3/6.

Either way, its a massively leaky play. When you call the reraise with dueces getting 10:1 on villains stack or whatever, and flop a set, you are still only 80% to win, its not even a sure stacking. You also don't always stack them, since ppl most ppl 3bet ak. When it comes down to it, basically you can't profitably continue in that spot preflop vs a range of AK QQ+ unless you are a total god of poker, and probably not even in that case.
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11-06-2007 , 02:40 AM
Renton, do you know something new about Bayesian probablity?
Why is it 80%?

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why do you flat call reraises from utg vs utg+1 with 22 and 100bb?

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It's situational. Generally I do it because if I raise UTG and someone raises UTG+1 I assign them a range of AK QQ KK AA more often than not no matter what they're stats unless they're mega spewtard. Therefore, I think I have more than the 8:1 to hit a set for stacks because I think I get paid off here almost every time by a regular and most of the time by a tightfish. If you feel this is flawed I'm open to discussion, and in fact hoping for discussion .

lol im such an ass, it was someone else that stacked me with 22 after calling my potsize reraise oop utg at stars 3/6.

Either way, its a massively leaky play. When you call the reraise with dueces getting 10:1 on villains stack or whatever, and flop a set, you are still only 80% to win, its not even a sure stacking. You also don't always stack them, since ppl most ppl 3bet ak. When it comes down to it, basically you can't profitably continue in that spot preflop vs a range of AK QQ+ unless you are a total god of poker, and probably not even in that case.
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11-06-2007 , 04:13 AM
Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

3,210,570 games 0.640 secs 5,016,515 games/sec

Board: 2c
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 81.049% 80.88% 00.17% 2596554 5580.00 { 22 }
Hand 1: 18.951% 18.78% 00.17% 602856 5580.00 { AA }
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11-06-2007 , 04:16 AM
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why do you flat call reraises from utg vs utg+1 with 22 and 100bb?

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It's situational. Generally I do it because if I raise UTG and someone raises UTG+1 I assign them a range of AK QQ KK AA more often than not no matter what they're stats unless they're mega spewtard. Therefore, I think I have more than the 8:1 to hit a set for stacks because I think I get paid off here almost every time by a regular and most of the time by a tightfish. If you feel this is flawed I'm open to discussion, and in fact hoping for discussion .

lol im such an ass, it was someone else that stacked me with 22 after calling my potsize reraise oop utg at stars 3/6.

Either way, its a massively leaky play. When you call the reraise with dueces getting 10:1 on villains stack or whatever, and flop a set, you are still only 80% to win, its not even a sure stacking. You also don't always stack them, since ppl most ppl 3bet ak. When it comes down to it, basically you can't profitably continue in that spot preflop vs a range of AK QQ+ unless you are a total god of poker, and probably not even in that case.
Agreed, nothing pisses me off more when people call for set value when it is -ev to do so and then hit like bozos, and this isn't even including the fact that you aren't getting the 3betor's stack 100 percent of the time.
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11-06-2007 , 04:32 AM
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Do you think more fish play full ring games or 6 max, or is it pretty even?
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And I really believe the winners need to start forming more tables on their own when there's say only 6 3/6 tables running and theyre all full + waitlisted 4 deep. It's just common sense that the fish will sit at the first available seat.

I'm glad you brought this up newb cause this is something I've wanted to discuss at length in this forum in the past.
So true. I am doing this at PL100 when the waitlists are long and it takes like 5 minutes and the table fills up. Then I open up the next table.
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11-06-2007 , 08:31 AM
New house thread someone please...BTW, if all you guys go there and I visit for a week or two: am I like the oldest but still the worst poker player around there? That would suck so much...
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11-06-2007 , 09:13 AM
Which part of NL do you think is more important:
a) preflop
B) flop
c)post flop
and why?
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11-06-2007 , 10:30 AM
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and don't plan on playing 5/10 until i have around 125k in the roll. I'm a huge bankroll nit and I think it has a lot to do with my success.
125K for 5/10?
I'm new to NL but it was my understanding that a good BR (for a winning player) was 15 - 30 buy in's.
Do you normally have 125 buy ins for each limit you play?
What am i missing?
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11-06-2007 , 10:45 AM
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Which part of NL do you think is more important:
a) preflop
B) flop
c)post flop
and why?
I think the most important part of NL is overall discipline and focus at the tables. I think River play is what seperates the good from the great.
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11-06-2007 , 10:48 AM
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and don't plan on playing 5/10 until i have around 125k in the roll. I'm a huge bankroll nit and I think it has a lot to do with my success.
125K for 5/10?
I'm new to NL but it was my understanding that a good BR (for a winning player) was 15 - 30 buy in's.
Do you normally have 125 buy ins for each limit you play?
What am i missing?
Well, I made it pretty clear that I'm definitely on the mega conservative side of BR mgmt, but basically there's two things I consider here in this decision. 1) I'm making $250+/hr. I don't know about you, but I feel that I don't need to take many risks when making this kind of money. I understand that I may never reach my potential but I'm not playing to become the best, I'm playing for funds. 2) The people advocating 15-30bi rule are doing so with the presumption that your goal as a player is to rise up through the stakes as quickly as possible. This works fine from micro-400nl or so, but after that point you are going to run into stiffer competition which means more swings which means you need more padding to get by. Personally, with 30bi you can lose 15% of your roll in one session, this is not something I like to allow to happen as I think preventing tilt is the best way to be a successful long term player and it's hard for anyone not to tilt after losing 10%+ of their roll in my experience.

So, if you're new to the game, following a 15-30bi rule is no problem. But I think at 200nl+ a 50bi minimum is necessary. 100bi+ if it is your sole income source (which is my case).
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11-06-2007 , 12:32 PM
How do you thwart people from set mining against you or how can you get away from a good hand when someone hits a set against you?
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11-06-2007 , 12:35 PM
If i want to play FR part time as a break from 6max what things would you tell me? Things you would have liked to be told at the beginning of your FR career


How essential is table selection at uNL (25nl - 100nl) in comparison to 6max
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11-06-2007 , 12:44 PM
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How do you thwart people from set mining against you or how can you get away from a good hand when someone hits a set against you?
more often than not i don't get away from a good hand when someone hits a set on me in a heads up pot. in a multi way pot it's just about knowing your opponent. there's no cure-all answer to this.
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11-06-2007 , 12:47 PM
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If i want to play FR part time as a break from 6max what things would you tell me? Things you would have liked to be told at the beginning of your FR career


How essential is table selection at uNL (25nl - 100nl) in comparison to 6max
Table selection is irrelevant before 200nl imo. Definitely at full ring, might be some tables at 200nl six max that are better left avoided but not really. All games 200nl and below are easy no matter who is on the table generally.

As far as tips for the transition, the most simple way to look at full ring is that it is the same as six max but the first 3 spots people play mega tight, and the position after that is the same as UTG 6max. If you can build your hand range around that you will be fine. Another big thing you need to recognize is that if someone's utg range is standard tight and youre in MP/LP with a hand like KK AA QQ JJ AK, you shouldn't 3bet very often because the range of hands he can have that will pay you off is very minimal. It has better implied odds to play your hand sneaky with a call to either smoke some chump trying to squeeze or generally disguise your hand and get the UTG raiser to put more money in the pot than he would otherwise.
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11-06-2007 , 12:53 PM
Ah, beautiful. The things you've said were basically the only things i've based my game around / knew before I played FR.

I find at 50nl 6max table selection is pretty essential. But im thinking at uNL FR it'd defintaely have to be far less important. The regs at uNL are definately not going to try get tricky.

Basically what I'm saying is that I can sit down at any table as long as I know exaxctly who to semi avoid, Correct?
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11-06-2007 , 12:55 PM
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Ah, beautiful. The things you've said were basically the only things i've based my game around / knew before I played FR.

I find at 50nl 6max table selection is pretty essential. But im thinking at uNL FR it'd defintaely have to be far less important. The regs at uNL are definately not going to try get tricky.

Basically what I'm saying is that I can sit down at any table as long as I know exaxctly who to semi avoid, Correct?
If you're only a little bad, you can sit at any uNL table and absolutely thrash it. Run a hud and figure out who the mega-nits are, adapt accordingly, play tight and prosper. So yeah, you got it basically.
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11-06-2007 , 01:00 PM
Playing 9 tables of 25nl I don't believe there are really any decent players. There seems to be alot of money to be made playing these games.

How does 12.5 / 8 / 2 sound? Thats over 2k hands I've played today.

At what level do you find pure ABC doesn't work anymore? Would I easily be able to beat this game upto 100nl just playing standard ABC poker
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