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Weird spot with QQ vs 2 nitty players Weird spot with QQ vs 2 nitty players

06-21-2019 , 01:36 AM
SB and BU are fairly nitty. BU's 3bet % is high but it's a pretty small sample size. SB calling OOP looks pretty strong too given his tendencies.


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NL Holdem $0.02(BB)
HJ ($3.46) [VPIP: 22.4% | PFR: 15.6% | AGG: 29.9% | 3-Bet: 8.4% | Hands: 239]
HERO ($3.68) [VPIP: 20.3% | PFR: 16.8% | AGG: 30.8% | 3-Bet: 7.5% | Hands: 23340]
BTN ($4.98) [VPIP: 14.8% | PFR: 13.1% | AGG: 30% | 3-Bet: 9.1% | Hands: 64]
SB ($2.79) [VPIP: 17.2% | PFR: 13.8% | AGG: 66.7% | 3-Bet: 0% | Hands: 32]
BB ($2.00) [VPIP: 33.9% | PFR: 28.6% | AGG: 54.2% | 3-Bet: 14.3% | Hands: 58]

Dealt to Hero: Q Q

HJ Folds, HERO Raises To $0.08, BTN Raises To $0.24, SB Calls $0.23, BB Folds, HERO Calls $0.16

Hero SPR on Flop: [3.45 effective]
Flop ($0.74): 6 T 3
SB Checks, HERO Checks, BTN Checks

Turn ($0.74): 6 T 3 3
SB Bets $0.55 (Rem. Stack: 2.00), HERO Calls $0.55 (Rem. Stack: 2.89), BTN Calls $0.55 (Rem. Stack: 4.19)


River ($2.39): 6 T 3 3 2
SB Bets $1.19 (Rem. Stack: 0.81)

Hero?
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06-21-2019 , 04:39 AM
Calling is good, half pot bet with OP

I like your chances
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06-21-2019 , 07:13 AM
Is raising the turn an option?
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06-22-2019 , 10:33 PM
I think calling is better here because he DB'ed the flop after calling a 3B PF. Now that I look at it again it looks like he's repping a set. But he is very aggressive so he could be betting with TP without any consideration for the BTN's 3B PF. It's better to keep the pots low IMO with an OP in this spot.
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06-26-2019 , 03:35 PM
Call. Your hand is underestimated and SB is betting worse for value sometimes. BB should not have AA or KK here either.
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06-26-2019 , 11:19 PM
Call.

Why check flop?
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06-27-2019 , 04:06 PM
I’m not sure I understand the flop check. You have all over pairs and top set in your range, there are no reasonable draws and neither of your opponents are likely to have sets of 6s or 3s. Betting this flop for value seems to make a lot of sense.

I would like to see a raise OTT. A good portion of SBs range rates to be overs, and especially suited overs so denying equity here is beneficial. There are only 2 combos of A3 left, so while it’s possible, it’s pretty unlikely. SB shouldn’t have AA or KK in this spot so you are likely best against him and the button didn’t fire the flop, so AA or KK are unlikely for him as well. All in all, you rate to best here. I would look for a pot sized raise and look to get stacks in on the river.

The river is about as a brick as is possible. I would shove here. Yes, 10s full is possible, but that’s about the only value bet you lose to. This board is great for your hand and for your range. I’d pretty happily get it in here.
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06-27-2019 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Havick
Call.

Why check flop?
I checked the flop looking for BU to take a stab. BU's 3bet range can be wide here. I wasn't too worried about him. I was going to come over top if the action went x/x/b and get it in. I may of over thought the whole spot post flop and didn't think enough preflop. I should of 4 bet preflop and bet out on the flop when checked to.

Betting on the flop would of gave me a better read on the action post flop. I butchered the whole hand in hindsight. The first mistake was preflop and it snowballed from there.

SB has TT 66 ATs A3s here a lot but also has 99-77 he may of felt safe betting with only one over on the board.

Last edited by Lozgod; 06-27-2019 at 05:02 PM.
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06-27-2019 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Lozgod

BB has TT and 66 A3s here a lot but also has 99-77 he may of felt safe betting with only one over on the board.


This seems contrary to your statement that they are nitty. I don’t see a nit calling 3B OOP with either of those hands, pulse there are only two combos of A3s left. (I’m not saying I agree with your assessment that they are nuts, your sample is super small)
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06-27-2019 , 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by I_lose
This seems contrary to your statement that they are nitty. I don’t see a nit calling 3B OOP with either of those hands, pulse there are only two combos of A3s left. (I’m not saying I agree with your assessment that they are nuts, your sample is super small)
Nitty may be a bad choice of words. He hadn't shown anything to indicate he gets out of line even though the sample size is small. For VPIP and RFI I'll run with whatever the sample size indicates even if it's a small sample until I have a reason to think differently.
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07-02-2019 , 09:23 AM
The thing that confuses me is why the button checks the flop but calls the turn. The call on the turn vs 2 opponents and few obvious draws, looks strong and AA/KK are very much a threat. But would he check those back on the flop? Perhaps in a 3bet pot. He's not calling the turn here with AK.

Cold-calling a 3bet from the blinds is often a medium pair. I'd have the SB on JJ or TT here a lot of the time.

I don't see how raising at any point accomplishes anything - you'll fold out worse (except perhaps JJ) and get called by anything better. That goes for both turn and river. After the turn action both SB and button have shown quite a lot of strength. I'd call down (though if you call river and the button jams, you'd need very friendly odds to call).
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07-02-2019 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by moxterite
The thing that confuses me is why the button checks the flop but calls the turn. The call on the turn vs 2 opponents and few obvious draws, looks strong and AA/KK are very much a threat. But would he check those back on the flop? Perhaps in a 3bet pot. He's not calling the turn here with AK.

Cold-calling a 3bet from the blinds is often a medium pair. I'd have the SB on JJ or TT here a lot of the time.

I don't see how raising at any point accomplishes anything - you'll fold out worse (except perhaps JJ) and get called by anything better. That goes for both turn and river. After the turn action both SB and button have shown quite a lot of strength. I'd call down (though if you call river and the button jams, you'd need very friendly odds to call).


Pretty much how I thought about the hand. The river shove from SB just seemed so strong vs 2 players when BU called the turn.

Having the button acting after me just made all of my decisions harder. If he folds the turn I’m more comfortable calling the river. I just didn’t feel I was good here enough of the time vs 2 players to make the call as played.
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07-11-2019 , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Lozgod
I checked the flop looking for BU to take a stab. BU's 3bet range can be wide here. I wasn't too worried about him. I was going to come over top if the action went x/x/b and get it in. I may of over thought the whole spot post flop and didn't think enough preflop. I should of 4 bet preflop and bet out on the flop when checked to.

Betting on the flop would of gave me a better read on the action post flop. I butchered the whole hand in hindsight. The first mistake was preflop and it snowballed from there.

SB has TT 66 ATs A3s here a lot but also has 99-77 he may of felt safe betting with only one over on the board.
I like the 3bet float here with QQ but absolutely agree should have bet the flop to see where you were, particularly with connected J10s, 109s, A10, or pocket pairs.
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