Trying to Move Up to NL 50: Stat Checkup - Micro Stakes Pot Limit and No Limit

Hi All,

I am trying to move up from NL25 to NL50, and it hasn't gone well so far. Probably just variance/sample size, but I thought I would take this opportunity to post some stats and see if there are any obvious leaks. I realize that stats are not the best indicator of my play, but if anything seems out of order it may help me tinker with my game. Currently 12 tabling NL25, sometimes more. Stats are since Feb 1, 2008. Thanks in advance.

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03-16-2008 , 04:18 PM

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Start isolating limpers when ur in position, ur att to steal is 20% Id like to see that at 25 and do u limp pocket pair? cuz U seem to see to many flops in ep. Other than that it seems fine.

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03-16-2008 , 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by demon102

Start isolating limpers when ur in position, ur att to steal is 20% Id like to see that at 25 and do u limp pocket pair? cuz U seem to see to many flops in ep. Other than that it seems fine.

Default for me is to raise PP's in all positions, even when there are limpers. Sometimes I raise SC's in EP as well, maybe that is why?

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03-16-2008 , 04:49 PM

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Start opening up more in late position, your EP stats seem fine but u should be looking to steal a lot more from the CO and BTN. Also look to isolate more against limpers from these spots. This will lead to your win rate improving.

What kind of hands are you currently raising when folded to you in LP?

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03-16-2008 , 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by demon102

Start isolating limpers when ur in position, ur att to steal is 20% Id like to see that at 25 and do u limp pocket pair? cuz U seem to see to many flops in ep. Other than that it seems fine.

My stats are nearly identical to his in EP and my range was AJs+/AQo+/KQs/22+ and a random suited connector thrown in there once in a while for fun.

The attempt to steal really stands out to me because at 25nl the blinds, whether it be donks or regs, are really weak/tight and you can steal all day with tons of hands. That needs to get up to 30+%. This is esp. true at 50nl, get that aggression going. If you don't have the steal percentage I assume you don't isolate light with mediocre hands to often which is insanely profitable in weak/tight games.

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03-16-2008 , 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Baja15

From button/CO I would say;
Axs+, A9o+, 22+, 56s+, JTo+

Generally speaking, Suited A's, Broadways, PP's, and most SC's, should I be looking for more?

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03-16-2008 , 04:57 PM

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Button: Axs/Kxs/45s+/46s+/7Ts+/22+/67o+/J9o+/Axo/any broadways. Open any suited Queens against very tight players. Vary your cutoff range by how tight the button is playing.

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03-16-2008 , 04:57 PM

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This is certainly true, I don't really look too hard for spots to iso vs weak players....do you generally look for high VPIP, calling stations? What are the best types to iso in your opinion?

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03-16-2008 , 04:59 PM

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Button: Axs/Kxs/45s+/46s+/7Ts+/22+/67o+/any broadways. Open any suited Queens against very tight players. Vary your cutoff range by how tight the button is playing.

Definitely wider than my range...is this about the same if there is a limper or two in already and you are on the button? I can definitely open up a bit I see.

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03-16-2008 , 05:00 PM

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Definitely wider than my range...is this about the same if there is a limper or two in already and you are on the button? I can definitely open up a bit I see.

Against one limper my range for isoing is the same as if there was none if he's not a shortstacker.

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03-16-2008 , 05:01 PM

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This is certainly true, I don't really look too hard for spots to iso vs weak players....do you generally look for high VPIP, calling stations? What are the best types to iso in your opinion?

Passive players who fold alot to cbets. Regulars.

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03-16-2008 , 05:02 PM

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Your stats remind me alot of my own play a couple of months ago.

Play more pots in position (aka isolate limpers and steal alot more blinds)

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03-16-2008 , 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Chargers In 07

Against one limper my range for isoing is the same as if there was none if he's not a shortstacker.

some hands like A6o are good to open from btn, but bad to isolate

the effect is magnified with multiple limpers

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03-16-2008 , 06:50 PM

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Your stats are better than mine. With that said:

I agree you need to open up more in late position.

I disagree with the posters who said EP looked fine. You are losing money UTG and only winning 46% of the pots you play UTG. There is something wrong there; you should be playing primarily premium hands from UTG, so your winrate should be higher.

I don't know if I am doing something right or wrong, but my win % UTG is 57%

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03-16-2008 , 07:00 PM

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I disagree with the posters who said EP looked fine. You are losing money UTG and only winning 46% of the pots you play UTG. There is something wrong there...

I don't know if I am doing something right or wrong, but my win % UTG is 57%

I agree with you here. The preflop stats are fine but something is not right postflop so you are probably giving up on pots to quickly and not value towning enough.

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you should be playing primarily premium hands from UTG, so your winrate should be higher.

I disagree with this. Everybody's button/co wr should be higher because we're playing more hands here and we have position. My wr goes down the worse my position becomes and imo that's way it should be.

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03-16-2008 , 08:04 PM

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Good call on the EP win %...

Do you mean my win % should be higher UTG than in LP (due to better starting hands) or do you simply mean it should be higher than it currently is?

TBH I don't know why my Win % is low UTG...

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03-17-2008 , 12:07 AM

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I agree with you here. The preflop stats are fine but something is not right postflop so you are probably giving up on pots to quickly and not value towning enough.

I disagree with this. Everybody's button/co wr should be higher because we're playing more hands here and we have position. My wr goes down the worse my position becomes and imo that's way it should be.

chargers:

i wasn't saying that the UTG winrate should def be higher than the LP winrate, just that it should be higher than it is for the reason I gave.

edit: i think chargers is right about giving up on pots early. if you have poker ev, you should look at your continuation bets to see if you are making enough and how you are doing with them.

That said, my winrate is 57 UTG and 46 this month otb.

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03-17-2008 , 08:40 AM

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ok so i would like to do this as i've also had a hard time with 50 NL, and looking at ur winrate for 25 NL, i must be doing something wrong...but i have no idea how to get the stats into the thread. so can anyone help me with that? thanks.

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03-17-2008 , 10:48 AM

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Print Screen. Paste onto a Paint Doc... use the square thing to high light the section you want to show. Copy and paste in another paint doc. save. Imageshack.us and use the forum links (remove URL tag before posting).

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03-17-2008 , 01:07 PM

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Find more river bets. You need to value bet more to maximize your winning hands and fold more marginal villian holdings when behind.

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03-17-2008 , 07:29 PM

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ok so i must be pt illiterate...what is a paint doc? and there is no square thing it won't let me highlight anything. when i click on the p icon what i want comes up but i have no way of cutting and pasting it...any thoughts?

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03-17-2008 , 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mpethybridge

You, of course are right here. I thought you meant ptbb/hand not W$WSF. My UTG wins more than the button there as well.

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03-17-2008 , 07:37 PM

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Paint is in Start>Programs>Assories of your computer. Press the Print Screen button at the top of your keyboard (should be ju st after F12). BTW you should be pressing Print Screen with your PT window up top.

Go back to the PAINT document and press PASTE. There will be a dotted rectangle up top (second button to the right). Use that to go over the section of your stats you want to post. Right click and copy again. Go to FILE on your paint doc and NEW. Don't save current Document. Then PASTE again into your New Paint Doc and save to your computer. From there go to Image Shack. Hope this helps if not you can PM me I'll try to work you through it.

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03-17-2008 , 07:50 PM

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Originally Posted by bottomset

some hands like A6o are good to open from btn, but bad to isolate

the effect is magnified with multiple limpers

I don't really agree. However, nl50 is very very weak and you can get away with raising a limper with ATC in CO and btn and then having some hand reading abilities postflop coupled with the willingness to bet until they fold.

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03-28-2008 , 11:46 PM

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Update (and shameless bump)

Wanted to say thanks for all the replies, I have been working on opening up my stealing range in CO and Button, and am planning on making the jump to NL50 again soon. Any other comments appreciated!

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