Primarily a tourney player dabbling in some cash lately.

888 Poker - $0.10 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: $11.32 (VPIP: 14.29, PFR: 14.29, 3Bet Preflop: 16.67, Hands: 14)
Hero (MP): $14.62
CO: $10.53 (VPIP: 8.33, PFR: 8.33, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 24)
BTN: $13.32 (VPIP: 26.25, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 80)
SB: $11.79 (VPIP: 15.38, PFR: 11.54, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 52)
BB: $13.49 (VPIP: 48.15, PFR: 7.41, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 27)
UTG: $8.74 (VPIP: 24.00, PFR: 4.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 25)

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has 6 8

fold, fold, Hero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, SB calls $0.25, BB calls $0.20

Flop: ($0.90, 3 players) 8 9 8
SB bets $0.43, BB calls $0.43, Hero raises to $1.52, SB raises to $4.56, fold, Hero ???

I certainly did not expect SB to 3b me here so it really gave me pause. What range can I give SB here?

As played, this is one of those spots where I'll fold (I hope!) and acknowledge what I'm doing is exploitable. At the micros, I just don't see villains bluff 3!ing that much and with a six kicker, there isn't much we beat. I also don't see two way draws here often as many of those will shove. If villain continues to make similar plays, then we'll have to take a stand, but until that time, we're not at the top of our range and he is representing a lot of strength into a hand that could be an overpair (which means a likely call from most opponents at the micros).

Finally, I hope the 86s open from MP isn't standard...

I think 86s is pretty loose from HJ. Not terrible if other factors are in favour, but it wouldn't be in my default opens.

Id be willing to give a calling range of JJ-22,AQo-ATo,KQo-KJo,QJo,AQs-ATs,KQs-KJs,QJs

This seems a bit wide to me. A call2B and fold to steal could help shape it more I think.

Donking flops is always weird. I find players either never do this or are incredibly tight or do this with almost any equity. If the latter id be willing to leave all draws in their range, your 2B after BB calls enables us to really narrow down V's shove range here. He likely has you on an overpair by this point.

Pot odds
Pot Call Ratio %
6.98 3.04 2.3:1 30.34%

We need to ahead here 30% + rake to break even.

We lose to this range: Our equity is 23%. Ive weighted in 20% of fd's.

99,[20]AhQh,AhJh,AhTh,KhQh,KhJh,QhJh[/20]

We're good against this range: It carries only 2 combos of fd's.

99,AhQh,AhJh

We're just about scrape in against: 30%

JJ, TT, 99

So this is incredibly close.

If V does this with any amount of fd and overpairs/tp its a good call. If they only do this like I suspect with a lock on the hand its a fold.

Thanks guys. Interesting comments about the open. I'm 146bb deep, opening 86s from the effective HJ seems like a low risk, high reward play, no?

I don't think there is any chance villain has an overpair here. I do think it really comes down to whether he would play a strong FD this way, and that's where I wasn't sure. In a tourney people drive draws like this all day but I know in a cash game they are more likely to have a stronger range here. I'm virtually dead to 99 and way behind 8x, though there can't be that many combos in his range. A8s for sure, maybe K8s, and some T8s/98s/87s I suppose. But this might be one of those spots where the betting pattern is telegraphing his hand.

I’m not sure. Given certain game conditions it can be a profitable open, but the micros is more value based playing I think. I don’t have it in HJ but will start to use it in CO as a steal open when I’m loosening up.

I don’t know how many 8’s get here. It starts becoming a wide calling range when we add any other than A8.

I’m used to using call 2B then looking at fold to steals and cold call 2B as back up.


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Sure, but nowhere near a large enough sample here.

I definitely thought about it for a few seconds - my instincts told me I was dead but I thought, "How can I not go broke here?" So I shoved the rest of my stack in. This might be an example of a hand where my lack of experience in cash games played a big factor.

True but we can start to extrapolate a touch. Remember players aren’t sophisticated here, and yeah I get that lack of experience against these player pools can lead to some mix ups.

A year ago I would have debated here how many overpairs/tp/and possible worse trips could do this. Now it’s like V does something this polarising. V has such little air. We’re behind (I still struggle sometimes to fold but that’s a tilt issue I have).

The upside of this is that vs competent tags we can very rarely go complete aggro and give them the exact same thoughts. Very rarely though.


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Hey Darth,

Not read the other poster's comments, trying to give an unaided perspective here.

Like the open. It's fairly loose for HJ but there are a few weaker hands in your range you could be opening with. 86 is good as it's obviously more playable and gauge-able post. In this spot the donk is worrying, especially from a player who is sizing up to be a tag player.

Obviously into 2 people on multiple streets his range is likely to be almost-value dominated. I think a lot of people donk here with strong hands which are vulnerable and don't want to see a check-through. I think a solid or reasonable draw is very likely here as better hands would consider letting you continue and then raise you.

Being 10NL I'm pretty sure you are going to be making a good fold here. You are beating some overpairs and draws but you'll often be against better 8x hands or F/H hands.

Interesting, though. Would be intrigued to see what he was holding.

Villain had A8s. He actually hesitated a few seconds before making the call so he must have had a moment of "****, does he have 99?"

yeah there's no way you can fold here, more combos of combos draws than there are 8x. just stick it in otf.