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08-03-2014 , 08:44 PM
I think preflop is okay. The turn seem bad in retrospect, would you play this differently? UTG raiser and his range seems pretty strong on the flop but I can't fold top pair because enough of his range is AK,AQ,KQs, I guess that is the problem with this hand. Would you play the turn differently?

PokerStars - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: $10.00 (VPIP: 20.31, PFR: 16.02, 3Bet Preflop: 6.86, Hands: 258)
BB: $13.75 (VPIP: 22.06, PFR: 19.12, 3Bet Preflop: 4.35, Hands: 68)
UTG: $13.83 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: -, Hands: 2)
MP: $10.15 (VPIP: 22.46, PFR: 15.68, 3Bet Preflop: 3.49, Hands: 240)
CO: $9.85 (VPIP: 0.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 2)
Hero (BTN): $10.10

SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.15) Hero has T 8

UTG raises to $0.30, fold, fold, Hero calls $0.30, SB calls $0.25, fold

Flop: ($1.00, 3 players) 9 5 T
SB checks, UTG bets $0.72, Hero calls $0.72, fold

Turn: ($2.44, 2 players) 5
UTG bets $1.74, Hero calls $1.74

River: ($5.92, 2 players) Q
UTG checks, Hero checks

Spoiler:
UTG shows J J (Two Pair, Jacks and Fives) (Pre 82%, Flop 77%, Turn 77%)
Hero mucks T 8 (Two Pair, Tens and Fives) (Pre 18%, Flop 23%, Turn 23%)
UTG wins $5.65
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08-03-2014 , 08:50 PM
Pre is not okay.. It is way too loose.
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08-03-2014 , 09:07 PM
Yeah, preflop isn't that great. I'd probably fold this HU, and perhaps call with other players in the pot.

As played, I think we can fold the flop. You're saying his range is AK/AQ. But there is a problem with that range when he cbets the flop....a flop that hits calling ranges well....multiway. That range crumbles, and turns into overpairs, sets, etc. But once we call the flop, we have to call the turn.
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08-03-2014 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
Yeah, preflop isn't that great. I'd probably fold this HU, and perhaps call with other players in the pot.

As played, I think we can fold the flop. You're saying his range is AK/AQ. But there is a problem with that range when he cbets the flop....a flop that hits calling ranges well....multiway. That range crumbles, and turns into overpairs, sets, etc. But once we call the flop, we have to call the turn.
Makes sense, thank you
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08-04-2014 , 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
Yeah, preflop isn't that great. I'd probably fold this HU, and perhaps call with other players in the pot.

As played, I think we can fold the flop.
So as played ur folding one of the best flops we expect to get for our hand? lol
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08-04-2014 , 07:38 AM
pre is too loose. given the call I'd probably play post flop the same you did
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08-04-2014 , 08:21 AM
+1
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08-04-2014 , 09:12 AM
Fold pre unless blinds are whales or opener is a whale. Post you played it well.
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08-04-2014 , 10:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Herbbb
So as played ur folding one of the best flops we expect to get for our hand? lol
Is TP really one of the best flops we can get with this hand? Multiway, I'd much rather a SD or FD over a TP because it's so difficult to judge our hand once someone double barrels. Great flop HU but not multiway where the hands are played at pretty much face value.
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08-04-2014 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ohsnapzbrah
Is TP really one of the best flops we can get with this hand? Multiway, I'd much rather a SD or FD over a TP because it's so difficult to judge our hand once someone double barrels. Great flop HU but not multiway where the hands are played at pretty much face value.
TP w/ 2 backdoor draws yes it is, if you're folding that on the flop as hero has played it then ur losing out IMO
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08-04-2014 , 01:45 PM
What about folding turn? Or is that bad?
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08-04-2014 , 01:48 PM
Yeah that is bad we definitely have the implied odds.
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08-04-2014 , 02:21 PM
Implied odds for what? The flush?

I kinda think is to hopeful to think we are stacking off when we hit a flush (and are still ahead) IMO the kinds of hands he will have when he double barrels here are over pairs, full houses, over cards that picked up FD (AK/AQhearts) possibly hands that have us dominated like A10 and some air.

So the only hands we have beat on the turn we have huge reverse implied odds for, and hands we are behind to like over pairs probably aren't going to be to ecstatic when you try shoving a flush River (what if that Q On the end was a heart, you obviously weren't winning much from him as he checked it anyway), also on a paired board they could fill up on the river (better hope is not a heart) or could already be full and we are drawing dead.

The more I think about it I like the flop call but think we need to fold turn here.
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08-04-2014 , 02:47 PM
We don't need to stack and he is not going to x/f overpairs on a 2h or something. In addition there are 24 combos of over pairs vs only 5 combos of made full house +

It is really a no brainer call ott.
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