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Old 08-12-2017, 04:29 AM   #1
hamster3434
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Sets VS Full house

What can I do to improve in this situation?
0.01 0.02 NL poker.
KKK (Hero) vs 444KK Full house
Did I call preflop too loose and should not start the bet in flop?

PokerStars - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 7 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 56.5 BB (VPIP: 15.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
MP: 113.5 BB (VPIP: 5.00, PFR: 0.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
CO: 133.5 BB (VPIP: 35.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
BTN: 146.5 BB (VPIP: 10.00, PFR: 5.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 20)
Hero (SB): 124.5 BB
BB: 100 BB
UTG: 159.5 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 20.00, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 15)

Hero posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 7 K

fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB, CO raises to 2 BB, BTN calls 2 BB, Hero calls 1.5 BB, fold, UTG+1 calls 1 BB, MP calls 1 BB

Flop: (11 BB, 5 players) 8 K 4
Hero bets 5.5 BB, fold, MP calls 5.5 BB, fold, fold

Turn: (22 BB, 2 players) K
Hero checks, MP bets 16 BB, Hero calls 16 BB

River: (54 BB, 2 players) T
Hero bets 25 BB, MP raises to 90 BB and is all-in, Hero calls 65 BB

MP shows 4 4 (Full House, Fours full of Kings)
(Pre 54%, Flop 96%, Turn 84%)
Hero shows 7 K (Three of a Kind, Kings)
(Pre 46%, Flop 4%, Turn 16%)
MP wins 226 BB
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Old 08-12-2017, 12:26 PM   #2
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Re: Sets VS Full house

fold pre, check flop, as played x/decide river instead of betting. you have trips not a set.
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Old 08-14-2017, 05:10 PM   #3
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Sets VS Full house

Pre flop good points.

Your getting 5/1 on the call.

Bad points.

Your not ending the action, far from it in fact.
Your hand is easily dominated.
You're in the worst position.
You're against 4 players.
You aren't taking the lead or isolating.

Foldings best.

Once called.

The flop bet into 4 players is hopeful at best. The chances of your hand being best is slim given the field. And hands that call could very well have you dominated.

Once V shows that much interest you are very likely behind. The river should be a check imo but if it's a bet its definitely a bet fold. Your just not ahead of enough here to call once he 2bets.


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Old 08-15-2017, 01:53 AM   #4
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Re: Sets VS Full house

Preflop is a fold 100% of the time. Pot odds on pre-flop calls are pretty much worthless at best and deceptive at worst, and shouldn't really ever be a talking point.

Flop lead is very bad multi-way without a strong made hand at micro/small stakes where balance is over-rated.

Against a 5% VPIP and multi-way to the flop, c/f turn isn't atrocious, but c/c is standard.

River is a c/f (vs opponent's stats and fact flop is multiway, as mentioned) followed by c/c. Small b/f is OK too vs some (generally tighter) opponents. b/c is really, really bad.
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Old 08-15-2017, 02:35 AM   #5
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Re: Sets VS Full house

Should fold preflop, you don't have either a hand or position.
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Old 08-16-2017, 05:46 AM   #6
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Re: Sets VS Full house

Hate the call pre, and hate the donk-bet.
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Old 08-16-2017, 01:52 PM   #7
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Re: Sets VS Full house

Preflop: Fold. Playing against 4 people with K7o out of position is not a good situation. What can you hope for? Against 4 people, a pair of kings with a bad kicker isn't a winning hand.

Flop: Check/fold. In a five person pot, what can your opponents call with that would be good for you? There aren't any potential draws, so the only thing I see them calling with is TPGK and better, which has you crushed. And if you check and someone bets, I think the same logic applies. I assume it'd be a value bet because bluffing with four others in the pot is very tough.

Turn: Check/fold. Seems too nitty to check/fold a set of kings, but what could your opponent have? I assume mostly sets with better kickers than you, and full houses. It's possible Villain has something like 99, but calling with that on the flop against three opponents seems a little loose to me, 99 and better have a chance of raising preflop, and on the turn, you can't really rep anything worse than the 99, so I'd think any sort of middle pair would be folding to a turn bet, meaning you're only getting called by hands that have you crushed with reverse implied odds for you.

River: Check/fold. Again, the best you can hope for is that your opponent has some sort of middle pair. You're either crushed, or your opponent is crushed. If your opponent has 99, they're not calling. Even if your opponent had TT as their middle pair earlier, they now have a full house. JJ and QQ are almost definitely raising preflop. I don't see anything good that can happen from betting the river, unless your opponent happens to have 99, and call because they think you're bluffing for some reason.

As for calling the additional 40 BB Villain put in the pot after your river bet... c'mon, do you really think they would take a call-call-bluff line? With what?

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