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Semi-bluff shove pocket 66 Semi-bluff shove pocket 66

11-13-2018 , 07:35 PM
Hi eveybody, in this hand I took a really marginal line and I wanted your opinion on that. Here's the hand.


No Limit Hold'em $0,01/$0,02
PokerStars
9 players
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UTG: VPip(16) PFR (12) 4B(0) 3B(11) F3B(100)
CO :VPip(29) PFR(26) 4B(50) 3B(9) F3B(100)
Hero : VPip(22) PFR(16) 4B(4) 3B(10) F3B(88)

Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($2,44)
UTG+1 - UTG+1 ($2,16)
UTG+2 - UTG+2 ($2,18)
MP - MP ($2,00)
MP2 - Hero ($2,29)
CO - CO ($2,30)
BTN - BTN ($2,28)
SB - SB ($1,28)
BB - BB ($0,75)

Preflop: ($0,03, 9 players) Hero is MP2 with 6 6
UTG raises to $0,06, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0,20, CO raises to $0,46, 4 folds, Hero calls $0,26

Flop: 3 2 2 ($1,01, 2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets $0,49, Hero raises to $1,83 (all-in), 1 fold, Uncalled bet of $1,34 returned to Hero

Total Pot: $1,99

Hero wins $1,92



I decided to 3B UTG because he had a tendency to fold to 3B and most players behind aswell. When I faced the 4B I had categorized villain as an aggro fish/lag and earlier in the session he did 3B me with KQo so I thought that his range was simillar to TT+,ATs+,KQs,QJs,AQo+,KQo. When the flop comes I think that I am ahead and since the pot is already big I might aswell shove and make him fold most of his broadway's and potentially TT and JJ.

Last edited by Gibzerin0x; 11-13-2018 at 07:40 PM.
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11-13-2018 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Gibzerin0x
so I thought that his range was simillar to TT+,ATs+,KQs,QJs,AQo+,KQo.
So you are pretty sure he 4bets a range that has 66 absolutely crushed but call with it?
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11-13-2018 , 08:02 PM
Pre:
I dont like the 3bet here.
UTG ranges are usually really strong especially in 9-max.
66 plays well multiway so you dont have to isolate. Just flat first time around.

When the CO cold 4 bets, his range is gonna be really strong ({JJ+, AK, maybe AQs}) but that probably means more implied odds if you flop your set... and his 4bet is kinda small so I like the call, closing the action also. Odds are great: 0.26 to win 4.60 so like 17:1.

Flop:
x/r is fine to deny equity of his over cards, but you're often against JJ+ and I don't think he fold those and you are way behind those...
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11-13-2018 , 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
So you are pretty sure he 4bets a range that has 66 absolutely crushed but call with it?
The 4B was small and thought that if I hit my set I would be able to stack him.

The question being is my 42%equity worth going for ?

Is it worth to check/raise to deny equity and possibly force a fold ?
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11-18-2018 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by stlows
Pre:
I dont like the 3bet here.
UTG ranges are usually really strong especially in 9-max.
66 plays well multiway so you dont have to isolate. Just flat first time around.

When the CO cold 4 bets, his range is gonna be really strong ({JJ+, AK, maybe AQs}) but that probably means more implied odds if you flop your set... and his 4bet is kinda small so I like the call, closing the action also. Odds are great: 0.26 to win 4.60 so like 17:1.

Flop:
x/r is fine to deny equity of his over cards, but you're often against JJ+ and I don't think he fold those and you are way behind those...


Agree

You really just wanna be flat calling with small/medium pairs if someone's raised (depending on their stack size) or raising if you are in position and leading (IMO). It's about a 1/8 chance of you hitting your set, but when you hit it you wanna get paid by someone with a full stack hitting top pair of something. I mean most of the time if someone's 4betting you are gonna be dominated to a lot of hands at these stakes. Most of the players are quite passive.


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11-19-2018 , 09:11 AM
Do not 3b (or flat) with 66 vs utg and do not call a 4b with 66.

Last edited by FazendeiroBH; 11-19-2018 at 09:16 AM.
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11-19-2018 , 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
Do not 3b (or flat) with 66 vs utg and do not call a 4b with 66.


Why wouldn't you call a raise from UTG with a medium pair? Do you mean if they have 3bet?


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11-19-2018 , 05:42 PM
Calling 66 from MP2 there is a non-trivial chance of someone doing a squeeze and having position on you. It´s also very weak vs UTG range, and will lose money in the long run unless UTG is really bad.
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11-19-2018 , 05:44 PM
You'd need at least 100k+ hands to even start to know if your opponents fold to 3-bet stat would be relevant in this spot. I'm guessing you didn't have that. If your read is aggro fish/lag, why are you going to war w/ him with a low pocket pair? Nothing in this hand makes any sense other than the flop CRAI.
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11-19-2018 , 05:45 PM
I'd call it. Flopping a set when they have hit with top pair or something is how you double your stack but that's why I'd say it was completely dependant on their stack size if I was to call. I see your point though.


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11-19-2018 , 05:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Rob_
I'd call it. Flopping a set when they have hit with top pair or something is how you double your stack but that's why I'd say it was completely dependant on their stack size if I was to call. I see your point though.


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That´s why I said villain has to be bad. If UTG understands the game, he´ll not build a big pot and pay you off if he has AA or KK for example, on low boards where your set may hit and his range misses completely. Maybe tptk, but it´s also a hand that shouldn´t pay you off hugely so you´ll lose money in the long run also. Remember that he can also flop a higher set and crush a set of 66´s, since his range has all pairs TT and up.
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11-19-2018 , 06:48 PM
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Originally Posted by FazendeiroBH
That´s why I said villain has to be bad. If UTG understands the game, he´ll not build a big pot and pay you off if he has AA or KK for example, on low boards where your set may hit and his range misses completely. Maybe tptk, but it´s also a hand that shouldn´t pay you off hugely so you´ll lose money in the long run also. Remember that he can also flop a higher set and crush a set of 66´s, since his range has all pairs TT and up.


We are talking about nl2 here though. Players are rarely ever folding with AA, KK if you hit your set. Over thinking play at these stakes is probably what's gonna cost you more money in the long run. You are getting most money from flopping your sets and having over pairs at these stakes as players love to call, and value hands like top pair way too much, in my opinion anyway. I've played tens of thousands of hands at these stakes and see sets get stacked quite frequently


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11-19-2018 , 06:55 PM
So nl2 seems to remain very profitable

At 5nl/10nl, things are a little bit tougher. I thought even at 2nl regs were becoming better, good to know that day has not come yet and they are still paying your sets.
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11-19-2018 , 07:07 PM
It can be yeah haha it's still a bit of a circus. The tight and nitty regs are usually quite easy to spot as they are just multi-tabling with VPIP <10.

On 888 anyway (not entirely sure with stars as I don't use that platform) people limp UTG with garbage hands and call with all sorts of weird crap in other positions but most are passive, albeit loose or tight.

And yeah I can vouch for that. I stepped over to nl5 and noticed the difference straight away, pre-dominantly in my win rate and bankroll at first lol can be a bit difficult to get used to when you are used to playing at NL2 so much.


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11-19-2018 , 07:26 PM
Yeah, I play on stars. Made an acc on party also, seems softer (nitty type of softness btw) even at the upper part of the micros. Tried to download the 888 app to try it (heard about what you´re saying from a few friends lol) but unfortunately the installation program doesn´t work here on my pc. Oh well I guess.

But yes, there is a considerable difference between 2nl and 5nl, it was quite hard to win when I moved up before adapting my play. I think it was Blackrain79 who said that in his book. I guess it´s the truth in all sites then lol.
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11-20-2018 , 08:42 AM
pre is very bad, fold
call flop if he's a monkey. lead some turns and c/c some
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