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02-28-2018 , 07:23 PM
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BB stats: 57/6 agg 2.7 over 74 hands
UTG2 stats: 21/17 agg2.9 over 260 hands

looks like both love their hands and are ready to stack off so the pot is going to be huge. one of them might hit flush or both. by the same token we have one set and two two pairs that we beat and a few nutted flush draws. if all go allin our pot odds are around 32%. How would you play this hand?

SB: $5 (100 bb)
BB: $5.50 (110 bb)
UTG+2: $9.81 (196.2 bb)
Hero (MP1): $7.10 (142 bb)
MP2: $5.43 (108.6 bb)
MP3: $5 (100 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9 9
UTG+2 raises to $0.14, Hero calls $0.14, 5 folds, BB calls $0.09

Flop: ($0.44) 9 K 8 (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42, BB raises to $1.26, UTG+2 calls $0.84

Hero?
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03-01-2018 , 08:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by fghexe
BB stats: 57/6 agg 2.7 over 74 hands
UTG2 stats: 21/17 agg2.9 over 260 hands

looks like both love their hands and are ready to stack off so the pot is going to be huge. one of them might hit flush or both. by the same token we have one set and two two pairs that we beat and a few nutted flush draws. if all go allin our pot odds are around 32%. How would you play this hand?

SB: $5 (100 bb)
BB: $5.50 (110 bb)
UTG+2: $9.81 (196.2 bb)
Hero (MP1): $7.10 (142 bb)
MP2: $5.43 (108.6 bb)
MP3: $5 (100 bb)
CO: $5 (100 bb)
BTN: $5 (100 bb)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with 9Second set on a mono flop faces double action in 3way 9Second set on a mono flop faces double action in 3way:
UTG+2 raises to $0.14, Hero calls $0.14, 5 folds, BB calls $0.09

Flop: ($0.44) 9Second set on a mono flop faces double action in 3way: KSecond set on a mono flop faces double action in 3way: 8Second set on a mono flop faces double action in 3way: (3 players)
BB checks, UTG+2 bets $0.42, Hero calls $0.42, BB raises to $1.26, UTG+2 calls $0.84

Hero?
Call. You've got tons of outs if you're behind.

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03-01-2018 , 12:51 PM
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Call. You've got tons of outs if you're behind.

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why wouldn't you consider a shove?

Pot odds are not that nice for a call unless we have enough of implied which I doubt. tbh I don't see heaps of outs to call either. I wouldn't count kings as outs as we may face K8 or K9 on the flop. So any of diamonds or kings on the turn may make the situation even worse. Our equity is much better by shoving on the flop.
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03-02-2018 , 04:22 PM
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Well UTG is capped after the call I think. If they had a flush and was re popped by an obvious fish they’d most likely push here. BB has c/r which is highly polarising here. I’d expect to be behind this V a fair chunk of the time.

What’s the lowest hand value relative to this board bb does this with?

I think we have to gii overall. BB is a fish and we see too much weird stuff from fish. We’ll be ahead enough of the time and when we’re not we’ll sometimes outdraw them.

Why didn’t you raise the flop bet?


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03-02-2018 , 06:16 PM
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Well UTG is capped after the call I think. If they had a flush and was re popped by an obvious fish they’d most likely push here. BB has c/r which is highly polarising here. I’d expect to be behind this V a fair chunk of the time.

What’s the lowest hand value relative to this board bb does this with?

I think we have to gii overall. BB is a fish and we see too much weird stuff from fish. We’ll be ahead enough of the time and when we’re not we’ll sometimes outdraw them.

Why didn’t you raise the flop bet?


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Thanks. Interesting comment.

I agree. My initial call is as bad as a call after bb's RR. I played weak then. I shoudda raised in the first place. I also agree that UTG is capped there. He plays unsure.

I think BB's lowest hand value might be Ad8. I also go along with you regarding being behind BB' value range most of the times. His value range includes the rest of all possible combos of diamonds and we beat Ad8, Ad9c, 89c, K8, K9c, 88 which make up only 22 combos. The only thing that might justify a shove is that BB is a fish.

I wonder how often does UTG gii with their capped range then?
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03-04-2018 , 05:33 AM
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Most players just don't play this aggressively on monotone flops without having the flush -- even fish. So, I don't raise. I also don't shove, because he'll call and we'll be behind.

He is a fish and we do have outs, so I don't fold.

Call flop, see the turn, evaluate.
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03-11-2018 , 09:41 AM
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Most players just don't play this aggressively on monotone flops without having the flush -- even fish. So, I don't raise. I also don't shove, because he'll call and we'll be behind.

He is a fish and we do have outs, so I don't fold.

Call flop, see the turn, evaluate.
Thanks. I get your point and I thought the same in the first place but in hindsight I reviewed it. If I was up against only fish I would call. The other vilain makes my hand more vulnerable for drawing by the same token he makes my pot odds much more attractive and the move is gonna be +ev if I stack off against both on the flop

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