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Originally Posted by alexbrasile
I really didn't understand your check otr! Villain is calling with KJ and KQ and there are 24 combinations you beat and you're beaten by just 6!
Two K are already accounted for, so just 2 K remain in the deck. That makes for 2 x 4 = 8 combos of KQ and another 8 combos of KJ.
We are beaten by 6 combos of KT and some other strong hands. Sure, you have to discount some of these. But the board is so static, I wouldn't be shocked if villain called twice with a hand such as TT (which then gets there OTR). I wouldn't be shocked if the villain slow-played flopped or turned sets some of the time. Sure, he will get excited with those the majority of times and raise turn or whatever. But again, super-dry and disconnected board, he may slow-play them some fraction of the time.
Also, on this board, I wouldn't be shocked if he floats the flop with 98s with BD FD (3 combos). If he does so, he will call the turn and will get there OTR. Sure, you can discount him floating 98s. Say, he only floats it 50% of the time. That still leaves you with 1,5 combos of nuts OTR. The same sort of discounted calculation can be made for sets. And, with stronger discounts, for gutshots.
So I think we have thin value only. We beat KQ/KJ, are beaten by KT, and by a number of 2P+ hands.
We don't really know enough about villain to assign him worse Kx into his preflop calling range. We just got 20 hands and he's facing an UTG open pre.
Thus, I would assume OTR, we can really only value-bet KQ/KJ and can't count on getting value from worse Kings as well.
So that leaves you with the 16 combos we beat and the 6 + X combos that beat us. My argument is that X is just slightly smaller than 10 so this is thin value.
Finally, my whole argument rests on the assumption that villain can get to the river with a few nutted hands.
So, if we make a small bet and he raises, we have to fold. We are obv making a highly-exploitable play when making a small bet. Because we fold despite getting a gazillion to one odds. But micro-donks don't bluff-raise the river, especially not when there's hardly any draw that whiffed.
Obv, if you're optimistic about him calling with all his Kx 100% of the time and think the X combos 2P+ is a sufficiently small number, then by all means shove. It's way better than check-calling IMO.