Brilliant posts. I am amazed at how much you write. nh sir.

CMAR...you have helped me improve my game immensely with your always informative posts. Thank you for another great one.

Players like Cry & pookie make me fear moving up.

on noez....they be stealing my bucket

lollerskates

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I was going to reply to this thread, then pete told me he got banned, so i will keep my thoughts to myself.

A lot of hate from the professional ratholers. I like it. This must have some value if it gets their ire up. I appreciate the work you do CMAR.

I love the line about how we are all going to follow this post like robots so ratholing will be profitable for life. Like we aren't going to have a bead on their range after a few hundred hands and know exactly where we stand and how to continue.

CMAR,

POTY, and it's not even close.. nh sir

Wow, you were going to make a post in this forum for the first time in 2 months, which would have been your third post since February, and it just happened to be in the thread that your buddy got banned for trolling.

Amazing!

Go troll somewhere else. Ktnks.

where did pete post? I have read this thread 5 times and still don't see it. Someone link me to it or copy it into a new post please.

His posts were deleted. Not sure why Jake's show up and Pete's don't. Possibly because there were replies to Jake's posts (Jake replied to his own post and ImsaKidd replied to his second post). I don't think the system can fully delete posts with replies.

yep...cannot delete once there is a reply

Do not troll this thread! I'm serious and I'm talking about pro and anti short stackers.

I've already done three tempbans tonight. That's easily a record for this forum.

I'm not sure if there's any actual strat discussion left to be had here, but in the event there is I'm not locking this thread. I suspect a lock is exactly what some people are hoping for.

+1

I just read this again, I hope it goes in the sticky. I think most of this is great info. I have pretty much been doin this by feel, but these stats in conjunction with Diebitters hand range calculator could have us all pwning ss'ers elaborate ninja esk technique.

I recommended to a friend to read this article. Very informative and well written thx.

this thread has to rank up there as the greatest level of all-time

MT2R

cool it please.

Great thread, CMAR.

Definitely going to have to study it more in-depth.

Bump* I'm gonna attempt to read this today.

I've been thinking.

I've been thinking that maybe there should be four categories of short stackers, not just three:

Loose, bad short stackers
Tight, bad short stackers
Good short stackers
Excellent short stackers

I think this thread is a good start towards dealing with the first three types of short stackers. However, several of these "cutting edge" short stackers have been insisting that they are way ahead in this arms race.

I'm inclined to believe them.

One thing this thread has really highlighted is that the only people really thinking about short stackers and playing against short stackers are the short stackers themselves.

This thread is the first substantive look at playing against short stackers in this forum. There are also very few hands posted in this forum that deal with hands played against short stackers. It's possible that there have been other, good posts on this topic in other forums (I'm thinking in particular we can probably borrow a lot from tournament strategy where short stack vs big stack is really common even though there are obviously other big differences between tournament and ring), however it's really telling that the most substantial discussion generated by this thread was how to account for the rake.

If my post "sucks", then the quality of play against short stackers a week ago, before this thread, must have been really bad.

My posts are the result of a few days thought and a few hours writing. It's quite possible I've only scratched the surface, particularly if the top short stackers have come up with set plays that amount to more than squeezes and stop&gos and if they are spending their time developing new and better strategies against full stacks.

So maybe you should keep that in mind when playing with these guys...

Not that it makes a tremendous difference. These kinds of short stackers are exceedingly rare at $100NL FR and below, still really rare at $200NL FR and you generally have much more to worry about from the good and excellent big stacks.

Its pretty hard to be tight and bad. At least the bad you guys talk about although I guess if someone is like 8/0 then they'd be pretty bad. I've never seen one of those.

I think this is the best place to ask this question...

No reads on villain other than he was running ~22/17 after a couple orbits. Due to multi-tabling, I haven't even noticed him/his stack until his 3bet shove. I need like 39.2% equity to make this call, but it's hard to put him on a range since I basically know nothing about him. This looks like a fold if he has $20 and/or if I have 66, and it looks like a call with 99/88, but 77 seems to be right on the bubble.

Full Tilt Poker - No Limit Hold'em Cash Game - $0.50/$1 Blinds - 9 Players

SB: $18.00
BB: $71.00
Hero (UTG): $102.50
UTG+1: $30.45
MP1: $125.55
MP2: $146.70
MP3: $100.50
CO: $75.75
BTN: $84.55

Preflop: Hero is dealt 7 7 (9 Players)
Hero raises to $3.50, 6 folds, SB raises all-in to $18.00, BB folds, HERO

If you just stove top 17% you have like 52% equity. The question to ask is how much does their range tighten up when facing a raise?