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05-05-2008, 06:09 PM   #151
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

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 Originally Posted by yemen Green is your non-showdown winnings + showdown winnings (ie your total winnings) Blue is you're showdown hand winnings Red is your expected showdown winnings (ie what you should have won probability wise)

thx

so what does this one means?????

 05-05-2008, 06:43 PM #152 Don Melchor Pooh-Bah     Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The way of the warrior Posts: 5,450 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** I know is a small sample but I just recently got PT so I'm trying to learn everything I can as fast as possible
 05-05-2008, 07:14 PM #153 yemen adept   Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 1,082 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** Oh right, ignore what I just said I was talking about PokerEV not Poker tracker three. The red line is the money won without showdown. As in, the money you have won from all the hands where your opponents have folded. The blue line is how much money you have won from hands where you have gone to showdown. The green line is what you have won in total, which is these two amounts added together. I wouldn't worry about loosing with non showdown hands at microstakes, as people are total calling stations at these levels. These means bluffs work less, so it's harder to get people to fold. The opposite of this, is that they call you down to the river when you have them beat, hence winning at showdown and loosing at non showdown. Can somebody give me some advice on my stats please?
 05-05-2008, 08:42 PM #154 Don Melchor Pooh-Bah     Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: The way of the warrior Posts: 5,450 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** cool man thx
 05-05-2008, 09:22 PM #155 jayloo87 banned   Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: bloggin Posts: 186 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** any advice would be much appreciated.
 05-05-2008, 09:41 PM #156 Allah Himself centurion   Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 141 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** I don't have any graphs at the moment and a pretty small sample (~5k tracked hands @ NL10 & NL25) but looking at the first post it says your showdown % should be around 24% whereas mine is about 5%. I run at ~22% VPIP, ~9% PFR with about a 3.5 Aggression playing full-ring (numbers from my memory). All my PF raises are 3-4x, don't re-raise too often, c-bet probably too much, but all my post-flop bets are generally ~75% of the pot so I don't think I'm too out of line with what other people are doing. So why the hell am I not getting any action? Just a statistical anomaly from a low sample?
 05-05-2008, 10:27 PM #157 craiggerz Pooh-Bah     Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 5,486 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** 2nd attempt at no limit full ring, would appreciate any comments on my stats. I feel I've been running well and my winnings don't necessarily reflect how well I've been playing. I don't mind where my VPIP/PFR is, I'm just unsure what most of the other stats mean... although previous post said my WTSD should be 24% and mine is 25% so that is good!
 05-06-2008, 05:00 AM #158 ekra enthusiast   Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 64 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** Small sample size craiggerz, If this was a lot more hands i would say your river aggression shouldn't be +1 more than your turn aggro and W@SD should be lower, you are getting bluffed in some spots. But it is a small sample size so you maybe running hot and rivering some good cards. Other than this two stats,it looks good. Get to 25k hands and include your position stats then you'll get better comments.
 05-06-2008, 08:02 PM #159 Zwansen grinder     Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 518 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** Does this just mean I am running crap the last 6k hands and just continue the way I play?
 05-07-2008, 10:05 AM #160 albert kang grinder     Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: paper chasin' Posts: 648 Is it time to move up to 50NL??? here are my stats... any comments/critiques are well appreciated as i try to move up stakes. i wanna plug any leaks before i get there! my BR is \$1000 now.. so what do you think? time to move up?
 05-07-2008, 10:26 AM #161 Zwansen grinder     Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 518 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** Which range do you raise utg and utg+1 Kang? You raise 10% utg+1 and 15% from btn. I have those stats at 7% utg and 18% btn.
 05-07-2008, 10:38 AM #162 albert kang grinder     Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: paper chasin' Posts: 648 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** UTG and UTG+1 im typically raising pairs 88+... & KQs+, AJs+ for non suited connectors, KQ, KJ, K10, A10, AJ.. QJ, etc. im folding around 80% of the time, raising the other 20
 05-07-2008, 11:52 AM #163 Zwansen grinder     Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 518 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** Wow, K10o raising utg FR? Is that profitable?
 05-07-2008, 03:25 PM #164 Ophidion old hand   Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 1,813 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** Need some critique please.. Att. to steal is at 31%
05-07-2008, 07:24 PM   #165
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 Originally Posted by Zwansen Wow, K10o raising utg FR? Is that profitable?
nonono, im folding that a VERY large portion of the time. like 9 times outta 10.

but im saying that my game isnt completely static. as in, i dont make the same moves all the time. if i feel like i got a good handle on the table, and k10s comes up to me UTG. i might raise it lke 1/10th of the time.

KQo, type hands ill fold a large portion of the time, and raise the other

05-07-2008, 07:37 PM   #166
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

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 Originally Posted by albert kang but im saying that my game isnt completely static. as in, i dont make the same moves all the time. if i feel like i got a good handle on the table, and k10s comes up to me UTG. i might raise it lke 1/10th of the time.
I don't see the value in this still. K10 is terrible OOP, especially when you have eight more players to act behind you.

 05-07-2008, 07:55 PM #167 Baja15 veteran   Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Liverpool Lid Posts: 3,220 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** Ophidion, your pre flop numbers seem fairly solid. You might just be running badly as 13794 isn't really a big sample size and i've had much longer losing periods than that. Have you recently tried to increase your steal %? As playing a new kind of game can take some getting used to. Although your wtsd number seems fairly low, so you might be passing up some profitable spots. Either by folding the winner or by blasting an opponent out of the hand when a more passive line would be more profitable. Most of the factors that determine winrate occur post flop. A solid pre flop game just makes it easier to make the correct decisions post flop. If you want to get better, i'd suggest just reading and posting as much as you can rather than focusing on the numbers.
05-07-2008, 09:23 PM   #168
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

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 Originally Posted by Baja15 Ophidion, your pre flop numbers seem fairly solid. You might just be running badly as 13794 isn't really a big sample size and i've had much longer losing periods than that. Have you recently tried to increase your steal %? As playing a new kind of game can take some getting used to. Although your wtsd number seems fairly low, so you might be passing up some profitable spots. Either by folding the winner or by blasting an opponent out of the hand when a more passive line would be more profitable. Most of the factors that determine winrate occur post flop. A solid pre flop game just makes it easier to make the correct decisions post flop. If you want to get better, i'd suggest just reading and posting as much as you can rather than focusing on the numbers.
I've always played an aggressive style and am completely comfortable with it. Stealing is a cinch, and I am profitable with it. However, I would say I am running pretty under par, as my graph suggests.

However, I do have leaks I am working on. And the forums are helping tremendously.

We'll see what the next 13k hands look like.

 05-11-2008, 09:40 AM #169 Tumaterminator HOCKEY!   Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 26,444 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** Today I'm being a bit of a whore and posting this graph around the forums. I'm proud, it covers almost nl10 and nl25 exclusively (small ammount of nl50)
05-11-2008, 12:59 PM   #170
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

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 Originally Posted by Tumaterminator Today I'm being a bit of a whore and posting this graph around the forums. I'm proud, it covers almost nl10 and nl25 exclusively (small ammount of nl50)

Over what period of time does this graph cover?

 05-14-2008, 10:20 AM #171 Bostik old hand     Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Outside the Bell Curve Posts: 1,694 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** Okay, I'm going to do a 25k hand checkup and want to try it the other way round - I'm putting the screenshot here but I'm also going to crunch through the data in place. Then the rest of you can rip apart my own analysis along with my stats. The general statistics look decent, but the steal % is pretty gross. If there is such a thing as trying to steal too much, I may be approaching that neighbourhood. I'm also cbetting maybe a tad too often and eventually getting called down a bit lighter than normal. But as 10NL is in general a very weak game, this may not be that big a problem. Potential leak, though. When I eventually move up, I'll need to tone this down a bit, otherwise any decent villains with HUD up are going to attack against my cbets more often than is healthy. The combined figures from W\$SF and W\$@SD on the other hand signal a major leak. I'm obviously playing my hands too hard and blowing out second-best hands too often. Also, my river value bets are not getting called - and if they are, there is greater than average probability that I'm beat. Consequently, I'm probably calling river bets too often myself. This is directly related to play on earlier streets, where my actions are not keeping enough lesser hands in, and hence there are very few hands left that are willing to bluff or trying to make thin valuebets on the river. Definitely a leak and much lost value. Will need to work on that. Then on to positional statistics. Personally I don't see anything particularly deviant. The abnormally high VPIP from SB is alarming but there is a catch. When opening raises and 3bets are removed, I'm putting money in 12.5% of the time. So I'm calling raises with small pocket pairs, seeing steals where there are none, and completing in some very rare circumstances. Perhaps I should try to setmine less OOP, since it's hard enough to get paid in position. However, the fact that I'm breakeven in SB makes it likely that I'm doing at least something right. Note to self: don't try to resteal at this level. If the hand is not good enough to play against a raise OOP, just let it go. Positionally aware villains are rare in the fishpond. A huge majority of raises in SB are opening raises, so a good part of the time I'm either punishing limpers with good hands or stealing from BB if the play folds around. At the other end of the spectrum, I'm calling more when in position. The BB/100 figure is indeed big blinds, not ptBB's. Primary reason for my abysmally low winrate can be seen in https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=987 . I'm still climbing back up from a nasty swong, which may have been partly exaggerated by my earlier play. Let's see what others have to say about this.
 05-14-2008, 02:19 PM #172 speedle 2008 uFR HU4LOLZ Champ     Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Portugal Posts: 8,943 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** Bostik, quick question, which OS do u use?
05-14-2008, 03:18 PM   #173
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Debian Linux. The one Ubuntu is based on.

 05-20-2008, 02:51 AM #174 DirtyPlayz banned   Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 323 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** My stats: 20BB/100 Hands over 40,000 hands at 25NL
 05-20-2008, 05:38 AM #175 Tumaterminator HOCKEY!   Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 26,444 Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread **** When did 12 become the new 40?

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