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Old 04-06-2008, 10:13 PM   #101
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Re: 2NL...what can you make of these stats?

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...d.php?t=158015

just found that. sorry.
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Old 04-06-2008, 11:11 PM   #102
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Re: 2NL...what can you make of these stats?

Hand tally = <500.
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Old 04-07-2008, 02:09 AM   #103
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Re: Theory: Do-It-Yourself PT Stat Check-up Guide (Long)

Question about what a couple of stats mean about my game. Small sample size, but still open for discussion. My WSD is 21 and my W$SD is 64. My river AF is 4.7, but flop and turn are 3 and 2.1. I know the W$SD is high, but I went on a sick heater on a new database. It's normally like 55-ish.

Question is what in the heck does all of this mean put together? I don't showdown enough and am only betting my big hands on the river?

Or standard sample size/play more hands and check in later?
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Old 04-07-2008, 01:57 PM   #104
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What is considered a decent BB won per hand from the SB and BB? I'm at (0.18) from the BB and (0.12) from the SB and wondered how that compared to others.
I don't know if this is considered good, decent or bad, but I am thrilled when I am winning back half my blind money. I seem to hover around winning back 50% of my money in the sb and about 66% in the bb through 400,000 hands

edit: this puts your stats right around where mine are, but a bit better; I am at (.19) in BB and (.15) in the sb.

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Old 04-07-2008, 03:08 PM   #105
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Re: Theory: Do-It-Yourself PT Stat Check-up Guide (Long)

FTP NL50 2007 PTracker



Stars NL50 2007 Ptracker





Just from looking at these two graphs, can anyone:

1)Spot major differences in play on one site vs. the other?

2)Spot any major/minor leaks that I'm clearly not picking up?


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Old 04-08-2008, 03:51 PM   #106
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Re: Theory: Do-It-Yourself PT Stat Check-up Guide (Long)

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Old 04-08-2008, 06:58 PM   #107
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nm wrong stats, ill post later

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Old 04-09-2008, 10:35 PM   #108
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

Gobias, I'd try to get the hand samples a bit closer, because at these sample sizes, variance can be a basic reason for the difference. I also think that play on stars is tougher than FTP at 50 and 100 (can't say about anything higher). Great stuff, BTW!
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Old 04-12-2008, 12:02 PM   #109
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

Long term donkament player decided to have a go at cash for giggles.. This is the first 5k hands I've played on stars nl25.



I think I should be doing more of the following:

Opening slightly more buttons & co's.

Call a bit more in mulitway pots in late position with suited connecters.

Start playing draws more aggressively. I think I made a mistake calling because the players usually give me rediculous pot odds to draw and hardly ever fold when I do get there + I dont want to be reraised off strong draws so I'm closing the action on flop & turn.

I usually value bet 65-70% of the pot on the river blindly but I've been surprized how many people will fold when I think they have a decent hand. So I'll be betting less if I think its means they are a bit weaker.

Stop raising with small/medium pairs in early(ish) position. When I raise at this level I usually get 2 or 3 callers & a bunch of overcards so 77,88,99 dont play well without sets. This might be results orientated since I've hit very few sets over this 5k sample.

Muck AQ to almost any early/mid action pre-flop.

Check behind on the river when their draw hits!

Any ideas appreciated.
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Old 04-12-2008, 01:37 PM   #110
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Long term donkament player decided to have a go at cash for giggles.. This is the first 5k hands I've played on stars nl25.



I think I should be doing more of the following:

Opening slightly more buttons & co's. I agree. Maybe quite a bit more; try to raise about 25% of the time or so when you are on the button. To do this, you will absolutely have to go ahead and raise a fair number of hands with limpers ahead of you with modest starting hands.

Call a bit more in mulitway pots in late position with suited connecters.

Start playing draws more aggressively. I think I made a mistake calling because the players usually give me rediculous pot odds to draw and hardly ever fold when I do get there + I dont want to be reraised off strong draws so I'm closing the action on flop & turn. It's hard to tell this from your stats, but your turn and river aggression factors are a bit low. but this may be a sample size thing, 5000 hands is not enough to tell anything, really.

I usually value bet 65-70% of the pot on the river blindly but I've been surprized how many people will fold when I think they have a decent hand. So I'll be betting less if I think its means they are a bit weaker.

Stop raising with small/medium pairs in early(ish) position. When I raise at this level I usually get 2 or 3 callers & a bunch of overcards so 77,88,99 dont play well without sets. This might be results orientated since I've hit very few sets over this 5k sample. Hmm, not sure at all about this. I raise these hands routinely in EP at NL $50 and do fine.

Muck AQ to almost any early/mid action pre-flop.

Check behind on the river when their draw hits! Any river AF >2 is fine, imo, and you are right there. Based on your stats, I'm not sure you ought to make any change to your river lay at all. Maybe value bet a bit thinner a few times per thousand, and fold a few more times per thousand, but this would be so small an adjustment you could hardly even notice.

Any ideas appreciated.
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Old 04-13-2008, 09:16 PM   #111
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

Hey first post here so feel free to correct me if i do anything wrong - just want to post my stats and check on peoples opinions and get some feedback. I just got poker office 2 weeks ago so here are my stats for the past 2 weeks.

$25nl - 11731 hands, +$568.1 - vpip% 15.1 - pfr% 8.4 - aggr factor post flop 4
aggr factor total 1.8. - att. to steal blinds% 21.1

$50nl-5420 hands, +$258.75 - vpip% 13.9 - pfr% 9.2 - aggr factor post flop 4.5
aggr factor total 2.5. - att. to steal blinds% 27.5

all comments and criticisms are welcome.
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Old 04-14-2008, 09:48 AM   #112
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

Rather than start a new thread, I thought I'd piggyback this W$WSF question onto this one. I hope that's OK.

This quote is from a recent thread in the beginners forum ...

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A W$WSF >40% is considered good for small stakes or lower. This thread should explain it a little better.
And if you read RedJoker's link, he says:

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W$WSF comes in 3 main categories:
<40%
40% - 45%
>45%
This is the <40% section:

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Nit

Typically playing tight preflop 17/12/3 type of opponent ....

These players will usually have a W$WSF below 40%. They give up on hands way too easily. Double barrel these guys. They don't value bet thin much and are never double barreling air. Give up if they get aggressive.
So I check out my stats and since I started playing closer to 17/14 than 22/11 (and improved my ptBB/100) my W$WSF has fallen to 35%.

First I panic, "Oh no, it's below 40% - I really, really suck" and then dive into this thread looking for fixes, only to find that a W$WSF of 35% seems to be quite common around here.

Are we all Nits?
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Old 04-14-2008, 11:35 AM   #113
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

I'm just guessing but... was it 6max?
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Old 04-14-2008, 11:51 AM   #114
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

And WTF is that FGators graph real? Anyone know?

He owns by straight stamina if it is.

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Old 04-14-2008, 01:45 PM   #115
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

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I'm just guessing but... was it 6max?
Well, given that we FR players seem to be the geeky underclass of the online poker globe (or so the 'cool dudes' from the 6 max tables would have us believe) I'd say almost certainly yes.

So, I guess if the number of players seeing the flop in a FR game is, on average, higher - it would be reasonable for the W$WSF % to be lower?

Sounds reasonable.

I can calm down now then?
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Old 04-21-2008, 01:34 AM   #116
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

Ok, I'm looking for some advice on general adjustments i should be making in my game. This is my first 10K stats at 50nl on FTP, mostly 9 tabling.





My WTSD in particular looks very low, am i missing out on value on later streets? am i too aggressive?
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Old 04-22-2008, 03:38 AM   #117
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

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Well, given that we FR players seem to be the geeky underclass of the online poker globe (or so the 'cool dudes' from the 6 max tables would have us believe) I'd say almost certainly yes.

So, I guess if the number of players seeing the flop in a FR game is, on average, higher - it would be reasonable for the W$WSF % to be lower?

Sounds reasonable.

I can calm down now then?
I think this is reasonable. Plus you're playing profitably - why fix a working strategy?

I think this is more relevant to higher stakes where there are less complete fish in our games. [checking my W$WSF%] Mine's at 38.28%. Heh. I play 16/10 - nitty and winning money
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Old 04-22-2008, 03:42 AM   #118
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

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Ok, I'm looking for some advice on general adjustments i should be making in my game. This is my first 10K stats at 50nl on FTP, mostly 9 tabling.

My WTSD in particular looks very low, am i missing out on value on later streets? am i too aggressive?
Stats do seem quite aggressive. FTP players will bet for you more often than not with my very limited experience. C/c with TPTK can be a profitable line sometimes too :P
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Old 04-22-2008, 02:49 PM   #119
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

last 10,000 k hand downswing and the only thing keepin me up is bonus monies, can anyone find something within my stats thats obvious?

and yes I am a nit.





and yes, i know 10,000 hands is still nothing but its a little substance to point things out.
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Old 04-22-2008, 05:08 PM   #120
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Marc, open up in late position. The fact that your c/o vpip is higher than your buttons is really telling that you undervalue position. Stealing the blinds just 21% is just way to low. Get it up to 25%, then shoot for 30%, and then shoot for higher.

Your bb/100 in the bb is showing that you're valuing bad draws and top pair/no kicker type hands. It's ok to fold draws at times and don't get involved in big pots with top pair hands in limped pots. It is a small sample so you may have in fact hit a couple coolers but go through the hands and see what happened. Post hands if you have questions.
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Old 04-22-2008, 11:24 PM   #121
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****

Hey guys, plz to be analyzing thanks. I'm a bit worried about the drop from flop AF to turn-river AF... Is it significant?

This is all 18-20 tabling fwiw.


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Old 04-23-2008, 11:07 PM   #122
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Re: **** Official Stats and Graphs Analysis Thread ****



Hey so this is bassically me just starting to take playing seriously, A little embarrased with the win rate, but i took like a 1k hand downswing it was up around 8. Open to criticism

Thanks for the help!
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Old 04-24-2008, 12:35 AM   #123
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Never be embarrassed about any winrate above 0.
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Old 04-25-2008, 12:15 PM   #124
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lol embarassed about the winrate? thinly veiled brag? 4 is really good
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Old 04-25-2008, 12:42 PM   #125
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Please critique my stats. Been playing 50nl FR for 2 weeks. I have played other limits and 6max.

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