What is your cbet %? If you look at your "Position stats" you will see that you only have 3 hands UTG, this is because you are getting up too soon. You need to wait until the hand finishes and the next one is dealt so that poker tracker can read the hand history.




Vpip/pfr

It looks like you are mostly unaware of position and are playing the same hands from everywhere. Generally, most people play a style that has them raising most of the time they enter the pot and doing so with a strong range given their position. Generally their vpip and pfr will be with a few % of each other. I'm not going to get into it here and am sure someone else has will have said it better elsewhere. Read the FAQ, use the search function. Go back through this thread and look at some winning players stats from higher stakes to give you an idea. I'm not asking you to copy someone, because everyone plays their own game. I think you could gain something of a baseline to see if you are playing tighter in early position and looser in late position. If you look where people play the most profitably, it will almost always be on the btn and in the cutoff.


It also seems like you are playing too many hands from the blinds. Run a filter and see if it is worth it or not.

Your went to SD and win @ SD numbers are good and so is your BB/100.

If I were to play against you I would be isolating you with a pretty wide range of hands, which will be profitable in a few ways...If you are limp/folding a lot and I can raise and take down your money and the blinds uncontested. 2, if you are limp/calling and then check/folding on the flop or are playing your hand in a easily recognizable way, I am going to be able to win a lot of pots on the flop or later streets. Either way I have a positional advantage and initiative in the pot, which leaves you at a disadvantage. There are enough players at 25nl that find themselves raising with a pretty wide range just because someone limped in front of them and the limper almost always has a weak hand. Adjusting your positional play now will save/make you money later.

Don't know what's the failure there. Position 8 shouldn't be in it i guess, because Button, 1,2,3,4,5,6,7, BB, SB is a full table..hm

My Cbet %......





Hm yes. i got that VPIP and PFR shouldn bet that wide..pfr about 2/3 of VPIP..but i got used to it shorthanded..but on a fullring table, it's hard for me to get nearly to these stats, because i would have raise much more with speculative hands also...

and don't know if that's good for NL10...but yes i have to get better with that, but i have no clue until now(how to get my stats about pfr 2/3 from vpip on a FR Table)..well so many threads to read i hope i will get it .



Thank you for your insight on that. Yes positional play..i have to work a lot i think. But also playin postflop without a "made Hand"..i have problems..

Chriszu,

If I'm reading this right, it looks like you are cbetting around 46%. This is probably working just fine right now because of the nature of 10nl. Villains call down really light and most people don't seem to adapt to the fact that when you bet you have a hand or strong draw, and when you check it's very rare for you to have a hand that is going to give a lot of action. Fairly exploitable.

The standard TAG vpip/pfr numbers are a vpip of 15-11 and a pfr a 2 or 3 % lower. It's basically raising when you are going to enter the pot almost all the time and over limping in some fishy, multi way, pots when you're IN POSITION with speculative hands now and then. If you think a raise can get the pot heads up and you have position, raising is probably better here too.

Go slow, don't try to change a million different things at once and good luck.

So i think you want to say me that i cbet fair to much?

Well i can only agree with that fact that they are call down really light...but if it's to much of cbetting i also trust you that i will get some major Problems in higher Limits.

Thanks for the advice again. Will try to work it out, also reading over some Sticky Threads, can only help! Thx!

Check out Pokey's excellent thread on how to use PT and I think you will find any leaks. Same goes for chriszu. You'll be surprised what you learn by examining your own stats.

Edit: I think Fishpocalypse nailed most things, nicely done!

Cheers!

+1. Your stats looked OK and it may have just been a bad month. But the 3 things that looked a bit out of place were:

1) C-bet stat. Run a search and read all the posts you can find.

2) EP passive play. Limping in EP is rarely right. I know alot of players like to play small pps this way but you're just setting yourself up to raised by a player in position with any two cards and then check folding the flop when you miss.

3) The big gap between button and cutoff.

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Hm yes. i got that VPIP and PFR shouldn bet that wide..pfr about 2/3 of VPIP..but i got used to it shorthanded..but on a fullring table, it's hard for me to get nearly to these stats, because i would have raise much more with speculative hands also...and don't know if that's good for NL10...but yes i have to get better with that, but i have no clue until now(how to get my stats about pfr 2/3 from vpip on a FR Table)..well so many threads to read i hope i will get it .


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There's 2 ways to get your VPIP/PFR more in line. One is to raise more. The other is to limp less. So if you don't feel comfortable raising a hand you can fold it and improve the ratio.


He's not saying you are c-betting too much. He's saying that your c-bets stats are lo as compared to a standard, but are probably correct for the level you are playing. The lower the limit the more the game becomes a 'showdown' game and bluffing becomes more less important. As you move up in stakes you'll find that players are more likely to laydown hands so c-betting becomes more important.

I've grinded <= 5NL for too long and only played ~20000 hands at 10NL. However now I'm rolled for 25NL and am looking for a quick checkup. Any comments would be highly appreciated.

My 10NL stats:


My positional stats over the same sample:

Think your stats are great, nothing to complain about. You will not have any problems playing 25NL.

GL at 25NL!

Edit: Took a closer look, you're doing fine so take this lightly.
Loosen up a tad from CO (Will make you more money)
Maybe tighten up ever so slightly from the BB.

Edit2: Or just ignore my advise and play like you are at the moment

Lagomatic,

Things look pretty solid, good luck at 25nl. Keep an eye on how often you are completing in the small blind and why. I would also expect your went to showdown and win at show down to fall off a bit too.

I'm not on my laptop so I can't post everything but I a question about my line.

I currently have been grinding 100nl full ring for a few months and have about 40k hands logged in at a 5.5 ptbb/100 win rate. I ran really hot first month so I think my true win rate is probably closer to 4-4.5 ptbb/100.

I am currently at 18/11.5/2.7 I know this is a very large gap between my vp$ip and my pfr%. I think my style of play is a little different then most at this level. I tend to call a lot more in position in spots where a lot of players may 3-bet. I think I might make the game harder on myself by putting myself in more spots where I can't rely on abc poker at this level. I have found that my postflop play has improved immensely. My hand reading has improved as has my ability to extract value.

My question though is having a large gap between vp$ip and pfr% always a leak or can it be a stylistic difference between players? If I either raised my pfr% or lowered my vp$ip would this increase my win rate?

18/11.5 is fine; we generally try for a 3:2 ratio and you are right there. But, yes, either lowering your vpip or raising more would bring them closer together.

DON'T PLAY FOR CERTAIN STATS, though--make the best play you can and if you are right most of the time, you will have good stats.

quoted for the truth

Previous Post/Review: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=678

well i took my shot at 5NL, variance+higher stakes= tilt. I recovered though and am staying there now(winning at 16ptBB/100 since that first little screw up). 8k Hands later and I was wondering if there are any problems to be found. Almost at 15BI for 10NL and want to take the shot.

Not to burst your bubble, but 15k hands is still a small sample size and some things still may need time to "converge". Other than that, looking good dude.

2 things.

I think your cbet% is too high. At these stakes the name of the game is value bet, value bet, value bet. It doesn't really change at 10nl either. People like to show up with bottom pair, middle pair, those pocket sevens they just can't seem to part with on the AKJT3 3 toned board.

Also, I like to see that you are rambunctiously pillaging people's blinds with an attempt to steal of 40%, but be sure to adapt to who is in your blinds. Meaning steal more against tight players with more "speculative" hands and wait for something with a little more muscle against looser players.

Post your positional stats and we'll have a look at those too.

Moved up to 25NL in mid November and here are my stats. Overall, I feel that I've played ok though I do definitely want to improve and move up to 50NL asap. Played some 50NL last night so that I can make platinum on time and still be able to watch Dexter and had a decent session making 3buyins. Im still a little underolled for NL50 so I think I will grind 25NL for December.

I realize that my stats are a little bit on the nitty side but I am 20 tabling.
Any suggestions on what I should be focusing on to improve here would be great. I'd really like to run at 10BB/100 for december - I think it's doable.

Thanks for the review, I have been attempting to steal with almost ATC, so i probably need to slow that down. By looking at these position stats it is probably is why my Button is not my most profitable position. Also by looking at these stats below i can tell my CCPF is too high.

You are correct in thinking that attempting to steal with any two isn't correct in nearly all circumstances at these limits. The BTN and CO should be the most profitable for someone playing your style. But, because of the sample size not being a decent size, that might not be showing up yet.

Looks good. The one problem you have is play out of the BB; you're hemorrhaging money. You should review these hands. Maybe you've been dealt alot of coolers/bad beats and the stats aren't representative. The standards are around -.2/-.1 losses out of the BB/SB.

You can loosen up a bit in LP as well and get your ATS up. Most of the money we win is from the cutoff/HJ/BTN. You want to playing as many hands as you can from these positions.

Be careful about setting winrate goals. Many players get frustrated when they don't reach their goals and start tilting/playing bad. Short term wr's are greatly affected by luck.

Your CCPF is definitely too high from EP. When playing from EP you're giving your opponents the advantage of position, which is huge. Charge them for that advantage by raising rather than limping. You limp/call too much.

Thanks for the input. I thought my play from the blinds wasnt too bad, I had no idea that -.2 was the norm. That's a lot to make up for considering you're forced to put a full blind in every hand which means you'd have to making up an average of .8 per hand no? I'm not going to argue that there's room for improvement there but I'm not too sure how to go about it. I am always looking for good situations to resteal from SB and BB preflop, and I do punish the SB for limping in to me a lot. A lot of times in multiway unraised pots i find myself staring down at something like T7o with top pair no kicker on a drawy board and I just feel like c/f is often the best line to take because people peel so much on the flop since a pot sized bet is so small which induces everybody to come along as well so T7 usually doesnt hold up much in those situations.

I do want to get my vpip up in LP and am trying to steal and iso more with weaker hands but right sometimes it's hard to do that because of so much other action on other tables. Dropping tables might increase my winrate but I dunno about my hourly rate, not to mention less tables means less Fpp's.

Another thing I've noticed is my aggression factor seems a little high especially on the flop. Over the last month I've improved on the turn a lot by cbetting less flops and therefore showing aggression more often on the turn, but I think I need to fit more floating in on the flop as that seems to be working for me.

I also cold call very little and was wondering if it's ok to be cold calling more in position with suited aces. I already cold call a lot with suited connectors and pp's but small suited aces are so easily dominated.

Jedi, Mpeth wrote an excellent piece on blind play ITT (somewhere around post #470(?)). In it he outlines how to improve your results from the blinds.

Cold calling is a matter of style. Some players prefer to play pots in position and try to outplay players postflop. Others prefer to keep the pressure on and 3bet more. You certainly don't c-call very much and may want to experiment with it a bit.

I would encourage you to ignore your hourly rate right now and instead focus on improving. I'm assuming that you're planning on moving up. You have alot more to gain by getting to the next level than fpps or a few extra tables can offer you.

Sorry I dont know what ITT is, can you please unabbreviate that for me? Sounds like a good read.

I want to 3bet more and cold call more I guess, but I think these things take time to work into your game. I know what you're saying about focusing on quality of play over hourly rate but most of my income this year has been from poker so I'm trying to get in as many hands as I can and doing session reviews, reading 2+2 when I'm too tired to play. It might slow me down from moving up but its getting my bills paid and keeping the risk low.

ITT= In This Thread

Gotcha. So many acronyms to learn around here.

While you're at it can you translate LDO and QFT?
I seem them a lot and have no idea lol.