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10-01-2008 , 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Tekniks
hey guys, Just hoping I can get some insight on my nl10 graph because i can't seem to beat it.
Is this a joke? You beat the game with 5BB/100. Is that not enough?

You need more hands for a clear conclusion.

Anyway, my 2cent: you fold too much from the SB+BB. You should try to steal the blinds more often, 16% is not bad but could be higher.

Regards,
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10-01-2008 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by DiggaWasgeht?
Is this a joke? You beat the game with 5BB/100. Is that not enough?
of course not, i want to crush nl10 for like 15bb/100
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10-01-2008 , 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Tekniks
hey guys, Just hoping I can get some insight on my nl10 graph because i can't seem to beat it. this is after 4 days. it seems like the longer my sessions, the worse i start doing. just looking to improve my game.





Thanks, appreciate it.

ninja edit - don't mean to answer my own question, but i'm going raise more preflop and be positionally aware?
well, two points.

1. Play shorter sessions if you start losing as they go. It's easy to lose focus, get into a routine and start folding or whatever.

2. Your sample size is way too small to draw conclusions from. If it is representative of the way you normlly play, then:

a. raise 1st in in late position way more. Your ATS should be up around 30%-35% treat the hijack as a semi-stealing position (in other words, use most of your button stealing range to steal from the hijack). Treat the CO just like the button. Raise first in otb with about the top 35% of hands--but play around with the poker stove top 35, as it is weighted toward high cards "one card hands" (A2, K5) and away from hands that play well post flop, such as 98s.

b. call/limp less.

The combination of these two changes will increase your vpip and will increae the ratio of hands you are playing after having been the raiser. It will also weight the hands you play toward you being in position. These are all major +EV hands.

Disregard everything I said if you think the sample you provided is not representative of your usual play/results.
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10-01-2008 , 03:28 PM
Hi all,

I downloaded PokerEV and here is my graph for my last few thousand hands. What does this mean about my play? What do I need to work on? Thanks for any input you can give me.

Regards,
theBUB

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10-01-2008 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by theBUB
Hi all,

I downloaded PokerEV and here is my graph for my last few thousand hands. What does this mean about my play? What do I need to work on? Thanks for any input you can give me.

Regards,
theBUB

It says you are running hot, enjoy the run while you can.
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10-01-2008 , 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
b. call/limp less.

The combination of these two changes will increase your vpip and will increae the ratio of hands you are playing after having been the raiser. It will also weight the hands you play toward you being in position. These are all major +EV hands.
how about small/mid PPs in EP/MP? i usually limp/call with and only with PPs. should i be folding 22/33 in early position, etc
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10-01-2008 , 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Tekniks
how about small/mid PPs in EP/MP? i usually limp/call with and only with PPs. should i be folding 22/33 in early position, etc
Well. This is the subject of controversy. I do not believe there is a correct answer, but, rather, that it differs from player to player.

So do this: using your tracking software, filter for 22-66 in EP where your action was to limp.

If your total winnings are positive, then stick with what you are doing. If they are negative, then you should be raising or folding based on whether the table is tight/passive or loose/aggressive.
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10-02-2008 , 05:49 AM
Has anyone come accross any interpretation or does anyone know how to interpret HEM stat "Preflop Positional Awareness"?

I assume higher the more aware? What is a good ballpark figure?

Thanks
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10-02-2008 , 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Ulkis
Has anyone come accross any interpretation or does anyone know how to interpret HEM stat "Preflop Positional Awareness"?

I assume higher the more aware? What is a good ballpark figure?

Thanks
This stats dividesyour number of unopened button raises by your number of early position raises.

Your number will vary greatly with your style. If you play a general TAg game around 14/11 or so, it will probably be in the neighborhood of 4, which is fine.

If you play LAg, it might go as low as 3; I am pretty sure I wouldn't want to see it go much below 3, because this would be telling me that I was only raising, say, 2.5 times otb for every time that I was raising in EP.

In a recent sample where I was playing 14/10/2, my positional awareness score was 6. This (correctly) implies that I am a nit in EP and a LAg in LP.
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10-02-2008 , 12:35 PM
Thanks mpethy, also congrats on making DC video history by being part of one of the best FR poker videos ever, if not the best.

Perhaps someone can help with another one, I posted this also in HEM forums. I looked at this thread and it looks to me that by definition PT does not show preflop coldcalling% for SB and BB (ie this is zero for BB, SB - and UTG of course), but HEM does. My old PT db also supports this.

If this is so, how can I compare/reconcile PT based cold call data to HEM CC%?
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10-02-2008 , 07:03 PM
Nearing 50k hands at 50NL. I had taken some disaster shots @ 50NL but when I finally figured it out I started this DB. Certainly I can say I am not running very good sets wise, or running KK into AA or AA into KK and losing so I am frustrated. This has lead to FPS where I am trying to push these ******s off their terrible hand on a nightmare board and still getting called. Also I have commitment issues with over pairs, convinced the donk has hit his set and what not and obviously folding too much, look at my losses with pairs!!! Anyways have a gander if you please and let me know if anything jumps out at you.




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10-03-2008 , 03:01 AM
Sample size is roughly 1500 hands. I realize that this is extremely small, almost too small to make an accurate assessment of my play, but I can't seem to get my play right. I've tried both TAG and LAG and neither have worked for me. As you can see, my graph consistently decreases. Am I just plain weak-tight or are there some other things going on here? I figure that my main leak is that I raise pots PF and then fold when I miss in most hands that I am involved in.



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10-03-2008 , 06:39 AM
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Originally Posted by WimblyBimbly
Sample size is roughly 1500 hands. I realize that this is extremely small, almost too small to make an accurate assessment of my play, but I can't seem to get my play right. I've tried both TAG and LAG and neither have worked for me. As you can see, my graph consistently decreases. Am I just plain weak-tight or are there some other things going on here? I figure that my main leak is that I raise pots PF and then fold when I miss in most hands that I am involved in.



wimbly:

You are going to have to hit me up on aim sometime, or send me a private message here on 2+2. 1500 hands is just far too small a sample to work with. For most 2+2ers, it is one session.

It is very possible, in other words, that you have the skills to beat $10, and simply ran bad for what most of us consider one day of play. Because you spread it out over 22 days does not change the fact that statistically, almost anything can happen.

The other complicating factor is that you said you have tried both TAg and LAg in such a small sample. So I can't really analyze what you are doing wrong for your style, because you don't have one yet.

What we are going to have to do is find out where in your poker education you are, and start you out in whichever is your preferred style, so that you can stick to it rigorously for a decent sample and get good at it.

Send me a private message here or aim me at m p e thybridge at g mail dot com (remove all the spaces and such like as if it were an e-mail address).

Have some patience and stick to $10 (or lower) for the time being.
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10-03-2008 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bjornb
Nearing 50k hands at 50NL. I had taken some disaster shots @ 50NL but when I finally figured it out I started this DB. Certainly I can say I am not running very good sets wise, or running KK into AA or AA into KK and losing so I am frustrated. This has lead to FPS where I am trying to push these ******s off their terrible hand on a nightmare board and still getting called. Also I have commitment issues with over pairs, convinced the donk has hit his set and what not and obviously folding too much, look at my losses with pairs!!! Anyways have a gander if you please and let me know if anything jumps out at you.




bjornb:

Your stats look great, for the most part. It is clear that you have a disciplined approach to implementing a solid TAg style. Congrats.

The two things in your stats that are contributing to your somewhat low win rate are your small blind play and your W$WSF, each of which is a small leak.

To correct your small blind play, take a look at post 489 in this thread. Basically, it talks about the ways to become more aggressive in the small blind--by raising when it is folded to you with almost any two cards, by firing at limped 3 way pots with any pair or draw you hit on the flop, etc.

In a large sample, look to pull your SB loss rate down to about -0.12ptbb/hand. This small 0.05 improvement will equate to a 0.5ptbb/100 improvement in your win rate. Over the long run, -0.07 is a realistic goal to improve to.

Incidentally, winning more of these small blind pots will increase your W$WSF, which is the other statistic that was a bit low. You should be aiming to slightly improve your performance in this area, too. We are talking about a small change--if you pick up one or two more pots per 100 hands your statistic will be fine. So fire another c-bet, or bet when it is checked to you on the button just a few times more per session and you will see your W$WSF % rise to about 40%, about where it ought to be.

I would not be surprised that if you make these two tiny tweaks to your game then you see an increase in your win rate to ~3.5ptbb/100. You may have other leaks, but they are not discernible from a stat review. I have been doing some leak plumbing over AIM; pm me if you are interested in spending an hour or so doing that.

(everybody is negative money with pairs--don't sweat it--filter for pairs you see the flop with or pairs you bet with if you want to feel better about this stat--it is nothing to worry about).
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10-03-2008 , 07:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Ulkis
Thanks mpethy, also congrats on making DC video history by being part of one of the best FR poker videos ever, if not the best.

Perhaps someone can help with another one, I posted this also in HEM forums. I looked at this thread and it looks to me that by definition PT does not show preflop coldcalling% for SB and BB (ie this is zero for BB, SB - and UTG of course), but HEM does. My old PT db also supports this.

If this is so, how can I compare/reconcile PT based cold call data to HEM CC%?
TY; I was happy to provide the comic relief for the video.

If I am understanding your question, can't you just use the HEM cold calling stat on your position report and ignore the SB and BB %s? Cold calling only matters by position, anyway--looking at the total for all positions would be ridiculously misleading.

What am I missing?
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10-05-2008 , 04:28 AM
Hi all,

I know my sample size isn't very large, but I have been trending downwards at an extremely consistent pace. I want to see if there are there any glaring leaks in my stats? Am I playing too tight? I always review my sessions and I'm pretty much stuck. If it weren't for my blind stealing I think I would be down way more.







I am pretty much still a beginner so I don't know if I'm running cold or what running cold really means.

I've learned a ton from reading this forum and especially this thread, so thanks to everyone who has shared!
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10-05-2008 , 10:28 AM
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Originally Posted by suffah
Hi all,

I know my sample size isn't very large, but I have been trending downwards at an extremely consistent pace. I want to see if there are there any glaring leaks in my stats? Am I playing too tight? I always review my sessions and I'm pretty much stuck. If it weren't for my blind stealing I think I would be down way more.







I am pretty much still a beginner so I don't know if I'm running cold or what running cold really means.

I've learned a ton from reading this forum and especially this thread, so thanks to everyone who has shared!
suffah:

Your sample is too small to draw conclusions from.

All I can say for now is this:

1. In this sample, you called less often than is optimal in a big sample. I don't know why this is, but hands like JTs, T9s, 22-55, when the pot has been raised, all of these hands are hands you should be playing, especially in position when the pot has been raised. But you seem to have called quite infrequently--almost never, in fact. This could be due to sample size, or you could be leaking by not calling and looking to flop big or steal the pot with position.

2. You got slaughtered in the blinds. You actually lost more in the small blind than you were required to post--this is a giant leak, but in a small sample, it could simply mean you lost two or three big hands. So you can compare it to your future performance, we like to see a loss rate in the small blind where you lose less than 0.12ptbb/hand. In this sample you lost more than twice that much.

You also lost too much in the big blind. As you keep playing, try to get that loss rate down to 0.22 ptbb/hand.

Post 489 contains a detailed list of ways to improve blind play.

Your other stats are generally good. Your W$WSF at 44% is, in fact, probably HIGHER than you will be able to sustain. I suspect that you are somewhat habitually stacking off light, or going way too far with your losing hands. Go back through your hands, pull some of your biggest losers, and, if you are unsure of the way you played them, post them on the forum and ask for advice (don't post the results).

edit: also, stop posting in the cut off. wait for the big blind. patience, grasshopper.
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10-05-2008 , 01:45 PM
Hey any advice on my stats? *smaple size probably isnt big enough but any help will be appreciated...


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10-05-2008 , 04:52 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
suffah:

Your sample is too small to draw conclusions from.

All I can say for now is this:

1. In this sample, you called less often than is optimal in a big sample. I don't know why this is, but hands like JTs, T9s, 22-55, when the pot has been raised, all of these hands are hands you should be playing, especially in position when the pot has been raised. But you seem to have called quite infrequently--almost never, in fact. This could be due to sample size, or you could be leaking by not calling and looking to flop big or steal the pot with position.

2. You got slaughtered in the blinds. You actually lost more in the small blind than you were required to post--this is a giant leak, but in a small sample, it could simply mean you lost two or three big hands. So you can compare it to your future performance, we like to see a loss rate in the small blind where you lose less than 0.12ptbb/hand. In this sample you lost more than twice that much.

You also lost too much in the big blind. As you keep playing, try to get that loss rate down to 0.22 ptbb/hand.

Post 489 contains a detailed list of ways to improve blind play.

Your other stats are generally good. Your W$WSF at 44% is, in fact, probably HIGHER than you will be able to sustain. I suspect that you are somewhat habitually stacking off light, or going way too far with your losing hands. Go back through your hands, pull some of your biggest losers, and, if you are unsure of the way you played them, post them on the forum and ask for advice (don't post the results).

edit: also, stop posting in the cut off. wait for the big blind. patience, grasshopper.

I think your point #1 hits the nail on the head. I think I may have taken Ed Miller's advice not to call cold too stringently. Thanks for the fantastic advice, will also definitely work on my blind play.

I think my cutoff pf % is high because I love to steal blinds. Not sure how I forgot to include some of my stats:

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10-05-2008 , 05:01 PM
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I think my cutoff pf % is high because I love to steal blinds.
this isn't what I meant. You posted $3.00 in dead blinds in the cut off rather than sitting out when you join the table and waiting for your big blind. this is a leak.
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10-05-2008 , 05:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Rolo69r
Hey any advice on my stats? *smaple size probably isnt big enough but any help will be appreciated...


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so far, so good. keep doing what you are doing and check back with a bigger sample.
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10-05-2008 , 05:23 PM
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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
this isn't what I meant. You posted $3.00 in dead blinds in the cut off rather than sitting out when you join the table and waiting for your big blind. this is a leak.
Whoa, didn't realize that. Will wait for bb now, thanks!!
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10-06-2008 , 03:07 AM
Hello all

I made a mistake and posted this at first on small stakes forum I repost my message here so

I read the forums for almost two months now. I began play poker one year ago, playing mostly sit and go on pokerstars. I lost almost 270 bucks with no bankroll mangament at all and way more beginners mistakes

Well when my bankroll fell down to 6$, I decided to switch on cash game (.5/10cts).It was the last chance i gived to this game but i manage to transforms those 6$ in 140$ in 4k hands.

This forums gave me soooooooo good advices and my game is improving a lot. I consider myself now as a student of the game

I have now 10k hands, i know that it is quite a small sample, but i'm not doing very well I think, and i would like to know if fellow p2pers could give me some advises to pluging some leaks ?

Thanks a lot in advance

Here's some screenshots from Poker Tracker 3 trial version :



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10-06-2008 , 08:14 PM
Ok, this has probably been asked before, but pls help me out.

How can I see in HoldemManager how good/bad I run in All-ins? (Net run?)

Or do I have to download PokerEV? And can I use a HM database to import into PokerEV?
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10-07-2008 , 11:32 AM
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Hello all

I made a mistake and posted this at first on small stakes forum I repost my message here so

I read the forums for almost two months now. I began play poker one year ago, playing mostly sit and go on pokerstars. I lost almost 270 bucks with no bankroll mangament at all and way more beginners mistakes

Well when my bankroll fell down to 6$, I decided to switch on cash game (.5/10cts).It was the last chance i gived to this game but i manage to transforms those 6$ in 140$ in 4k hands.

This forums gave me soooooooo good advices and my game is improving a lot. I consider myself now as a student of the game

I have now 10k hands, i know that it is quite a small sample, but i'm not doing very well I think, and i would like to know if fellow p2pers could give me some advises to pluging some leaks ?

Thanks a lot in advance

Here's some screenshots from Poker Tracker 3 trial version :
Bouh No one to give me some advises on my play
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