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Old 07-20-2008, 04:00 PM   #351
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I think a lot of stats that demonstrate player's tendencies like aggression, positional awareness etc. usually show up OK enough over a sample size of even 10K, though of course it's still not very good and more is better, but you can definitely spot important leaks from it. But if you're looking at results, then indeed anything less than 50k is all but useless, especially if you feel you've run significantly above or below expectation.

A word about open limping, the simple fact is I have never seen a good player advocate it (anyone??). You can make money open limping, but you would probably make even more if you didn't ever do it.
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Old 07-20-2008, 06:51 PM   #352
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Any obvious leaks for this month?





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Old 07-21-2008, 04:48 AM   #353
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but do ppl encounter this much variance? (~2 10+BI downswings every 50K hands)
SS I just went through my 5th or 6th >5bi swing in 260k hands at 100nl. I've had 2 $1k downswings.
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Old 07-21-2008, 12:17 PM   #354
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Any obvious leaks for this month?





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Your pre flop stats look fine. Though you could loosen up a bit in general from 13.5/11.5.

You might just be running bad but you could have some leaks post flop that are hurting your winrate.

Try posting and reading hand histories
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Old 07-22-2008, 07:01 PM   #355
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Ok i got a 125k hands since June 1 but due to some recent paranoid tendencies( a number of villians have hinted at being lurkers) I dont want to post... my stats here.. Who can help me with my numbers please...via PM

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Old 07-23-2008, 08:39 AM   #356
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Ok i got a 125k hands since June 1 but due to some recent paranoid tendencies( a number of villians have hinted at being lurkers) I dont want to post... my stats here.. Who can help me with my numbers please...via PM

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Old 07-23-2008, 11:19 AM   #357
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Hi all, just got a new pc and will be making a new database on it so thought I'd post my stats here for discussion.

I am the embodiment of weak tight. I've tried to raise more and be aggressive, but it only puts me in marginal spots where it's easy to make mistakes.



I made my first and only deposit of $40 and ran it up from NL$2 so I'm quite happy with that. Went for a few weeks without playing a hand after bad tilt, but I don't tilt anywhere near as much as I used to.

Here's graph...

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Old 07-26-2008, 06:55 AM   #358
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Why open limp? Any particular reason for it? Have you tried avoiding it for at least 10K hands? I have never seen more than one good player advocate open limping. I would suggest you try tightening up from EP (no KQs or ATs before UTG+4), and stop open limping as well as flatting apart from setmining, for at least 10K hands, and see where it takes you.

Be careful with moving beyond 25NL, especially if you tilt. Looks like you hit a bit of a heater at 50NL, it can get to your head.
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Old 07-27-2008, 12:44 AM   #359
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I know it's a small sample. But I would still like to fix some of my mistakes now, rather than at 100,000 hands.

Have been mucking around with FR 10NL and breaking even, now trying a shot at FR 25NL.

Please rip me apart. I want to learn to be a winning player, so be brutally honest.



I will do a bit of self analysis first:



I cbet 80% of the time whether I hit on the flop or not (to disguise if I have hit or not). Because of this I get a lot of folds on the flop - leading to most of my gains through Money Won $ without showdown.

But is this the best strategy? If I hit with my good hands, I get rid of the bad hands too ealry. However if they call I probably continue on with the hand longer than I should. I don't want the regs to just call my cbets so I give up on the turn - leading to most of my loses through Money Won $ with showdown.

If I start slower playing my good hands I'm sure the regs will pick up on this. And realise that a large cbet = bluff, small cbet = good hand.



I'm not sure you can read too much into these stats with such a small sample.

Although my SB VP$IP looks quite high? Probably need to tighten it up a bit.



These look like the most revealing stats. Definately looks like I'm putting too my faith into TPTK and weak two pairs.

Need to realise these are **** hands and need to learn how to throw them away when I get villian agression.



Would throwing away weaker hands to agression fix this graph up? Need to increase the Money Won $ with Showdown somehow...



I appreciate any help people can give me. I can post more stats or hand histories if you want. I think my biggest problem is realising that my hand is beaten...
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Old 07-27-2008, 01:08 AM   #360
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I know it's a small sample. But I would still like to fix some of my mistakes now, rather than at 100,000 hands.

Have been mucking around with FR 10NL and breaking even, now trying a shot at FR 25NL.

Please rip me apart. I want to learn to be a winning player, so be brutally honest.

I will do a bit of self analysis first:

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I cbet 80% of the time whether I hit on the flop or not (to disguise if I have hit or not). Because of this I get a lot of folds on the flop - leading to most of my gains through Money Won $ without showdown.

But is this the best strategy? If I hit with my good hands, I get rid of the bad hands too ealry. However if they call I probably continue on with the hand longer than I should. I don't want the regs to just call my cbets so I give up on the turn - leading to most of my loses through Money Won $ with showdown.

If I start slower playing my good hands I'm sure the regs will pick up on this. And realise that a large cbet = bluff, small cbet = good hand.

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I'm not sure you can read too much into these stats with such a small sample.

Although my SB VP$IP looks quite high? Probably need to tighten it up a bit.

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These look like the most revealing stats. Definately looks like I'm putting too my faith into TPTK and weak two pairs.

Need to realise these are **** hands and need to learn how to throw them away when I get villian agression.

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Would throwing away weaker hands to agression fix this graph up? Need to increase the Money Won $ with Showdown somehow...

I appreciate any help people can give me. I can post more stats or hand histories if you want. I think my biggest problem is realising that my hand is beaten...
Your stats look pretty solid for the most part. A few things though:

- I think you ought to tighten up a lot in the SB. Playing OOP really sucks.

- Your WTSD is pretty high, I'd try to bring this down to about 20-23% by giving up a bit more often in marginal spots.

- I think you should be a little more selective in your aggression. Against loose-passive players, you should rely less on the raise PF/cbet flop line, and more on flopping a strong hand like TPTK and valuetowning them. Most of your money at these stakes should come from value betting your strong hands rather than taking down loads of pots without showdown (although the latter is also a good thing obviously).

FWIW, I lose a lot of money without showdown and win even more with showdown.

- As for the pair and 2 pair stats, it's normal to lose money with these hands, so don't worry about that.
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Old 07-27-2008, 01:32 AM   #361
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Yeah that SB stat really surprised me. Definately working on that

And will try to lay down the marginal hands early. Will just have to remind myself of that graph while I'm playing.

In regards to PF/cbet what stats of villians should I be value betting? Those with less than 2 AF? Is there a particular number that indicates someone is passive?

Good to know I'm not missing anything major. I'll try post my stats again at 15k hands and see if I've learnt from my mistakes.
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Old 07-27-2008, 12:57 PM   #362
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In regards to PF/cbet what stats of villians should I be value betting? Those with less than 2 AF? Is there a particular number that indicates someone is passive?
There's no magic number as such... also bear in mind that a 70% VPIP with AF 2 is much more aggressive than a 15% VPIP with AF 2. But someone with stats like 60/5/1.1, 32/1/1.6 is generally going to be pretty passive.

I'd look more at their WTSD% (I find this stat very useful on my HUD). If it's high (like 30%+) then they're taking too many hands to showdown and you should be value-betting them a lot.
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Old 07-28-2008, 10:05 AM   #363
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shoot!
First 11500 hands playing SH, played a lot of shortstack bonus whoring before and a bit of FR but wanted to move to SH
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Old 07-29-2008, 01:24 PM   #364
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The past week I've been on a wicked downswing, dropping 7 BI's in ~4000 hands (pretty rough, right?) I don't think I've played great and know I've tilted some, but I've also taken some crappy beats (haven't we all ). I started looking at some EV graphs because I was curious what they would say, but when I tried to analyze one I realized I had no idea what it was telling me. If my showdown winnings are way below my Sklansky bucks does that mean I ran poorly, or not really? I think I remember that Sklansky bucks only apply when you're all in. Help me please!


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Old 07-30-2008, 05:50 AM   #365
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I think I remember that Sklansky bucks only apply when you're all in. Help me please!
I wouldn't bet my bankroll on it, but as EV calculations can only be performed when you know what both parties had, Sklansky bucks can only be counted when you reach showdown; so it's not just the 'all-in' but all the showdown hands.

So the red line says that your odds were close to even when you got to showdown, while the lower blue line tells us that you didn't get you fair share of the pie (who the hell does?). The even lower green line lets us know that you are losing money on the non-showdown hands too. Particularly at the start of the graph.

If it's any comfort (and it really isn't to me, I promise you) I've had periods like this too. It seems I hit a bad patch where my AA/KK/QQ start losing to offsuited small-rags that make two pair on the river, I lose confidence, start to give up too soon in the face of resistance and miss perfect value betting opportunities. So first my showdown curve levels off (bad beats), then the non-showdown line drops (when I give up too easy), and then the showdown curve drops a little more (less value from my premium hands, too many medium hands taken to showdown).

When this happens I stop looking at my bad data for a couple of weeks, and spend the time rereading the archive, 2+2 books and watching videos instead.
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Old 07-31-2008, 12:47 AM   #366
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The even lower green line lets us know that you are losing money on the non-showdown hands too. Particularly at the end of the graph.
FYP

Where the green line splits down from the blue line is where you're losing money in non-showdown pots.
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Old 07-31-2008, 07:29 AM   #367
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Where the green line splits down from the blue line is where you're losing money in non-showdown pots.
I got my pen and paper out so I could prepare a message to explain why I was right and you were wrong. And then I had to rip it up ........ 'cause I realised you're right damn it!

Doh, I guess I'd better say thanks.
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Old 08-01-2008, 11:33 AM   #368
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Small sample from the month but was interested in what you thought of my positional stats. I think I should be making more on the BTN. I think my SB BB win rate is strange, arnt these supposed to be loosing money?

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Old 08-02-2008, 10:26 AM   #369
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As many here im trying to open up my game and go from a nit to a TAG, I'll post my first graph of 54k hands, playing my usual set mining weak tight self, then the last 10k hands where i have been trying to open up.

I do know that 10k is nowhere near enough to get a grip on win rate etc. but was hoping that my stats would show if im heading in the right direction, I was going to post at 10k hands no matter what the result, i know that the fact im +$$ could just be due to running good etc. Im more interested in getting feed back on my over all play so far and areas i might want work on over the next 10k hands.










Just trying to work out how to post pics properly, best i can do!

Thanks for any help/advice.

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Old 08-03-2008, 11:57 AM   #370
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Old 08-04-2008, 11:13 PM   #371
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Hi guys.

Background info: Started out 4 tabling 25NL at the start of June. Basically stopped playing poker in July (only 6k hands all month). I am now getting back into it, and have started 8 tabling.





Planning on moving up when I hit about 1200, hopefully continuing to 8 table. Thoughts on stats/possible leaks? My biggest is a tendency to 3 barrel huge sometimes when tilting, I call it the banana implosion (if you knew my SN this would make more sense). Lol probably cost me a good 200$ at least...mostly in 6 max which I never play for that very reason. I feel I am a solid player however really want to start working on my game more seriously. Also need to figure out what is going on with position 4, been slightly negative there forever.

Also note on BR: I started with 200$ on stars and my entire roll is basically just my 25NL winnings due to tilting donkaments and such. So when I say I want to move up when I hit 1200, I mean on PT. Is this waiting too long, should I move up sooner? 50$ is a fair amount of money for me, although I'm basically immune to 25NL now lol.

Appreciate any responses, thanks!

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Old 08-05-2008, 10:51 AM   #372
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Hi guys.

Background info: Started out 4 tabling 25NL at the start of June. Basically stopped playing poker in July (only 6k hands all month). I am now getting back into it, and have started 8 tabling.





Planning on moving up when I hit about 1200, hopefully continuing to 8 table. Thoughts on stats/possible leaks? My biggest is a tendency to 3 barrel huge sometimes when tilting, I call it the banana implosion (if you knew my SN this would make more sense). Lol probably cost me a good 200$ at least...mostly in 6 max which I never play for that very reason. I feel I am a solid player however really want to start working on my game more seriously. Also need to figure out what is going on with position 4, been slightly negative there forever.

Also note on BR: I started with 200$ on stars and my entire roll is basically just my 25NL winnings due to tilting donkaments and such. So when I say I want to move up when I hit 1200, I mean on PT. Is this waiting too long, should I move up sooner? 50$ is a fair amount of money for me, although I'm basically immune to 25NL now lol.

Appreciate any responses, thanks!

dont open limp, and stop posting the blind out of position.. start clicking the wait for blind button... everything else looks okay to me, but Im not that horribly experienced with disecting pt stats
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Old 08-05-2008, 12:59 PM   #373
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Haha yes impatience has cost me a few big blinds although I usually only post in the high jack or cutoff, otherwise I just wait.

As for open limping, I never, EVER, open limp, though recently I have started limping behind a bit more often with hands like pocket pairs or suited aces when there are 2 or more limpers or I feel I'm likely to get called by someone who has position on me. If I am in the C/o or button I will usually raise these hands up.
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Old 08-05-2008, 03:52 PM   #374
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basic question...when we are looking at nonSD winnings...do we include the blinds in these?

without the blinds, im massively winning in nonSD (like, to the tune of 6-7pt/100 increase to my WR over 200K hands). but im not sure if this is the right thing to look at...
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