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02-17-2010 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by bebek
What is good winrate from blinds?
s/b (.09) BB/100 or better
B/B (.19) BB/100 or better
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02-17-2010 , 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Mingdu
s/b (.09) BB/100 or better
B/B (.19) BB/100 or better
Oops, my doesn't look good...
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02-17-2010 , 11:11 AM
One more question, I mean what is max. lose accept from blinds?
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02-17-2010 , 01:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Mingdu
s/b (.09) BB/100 or better
B/B (.19) BB/100 or better
Those win rates are unachievable from the blinds. If your "loss rate" is 10 times bigger than this I would like you to coach me.

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Originally Posted by bebek
One more question, I mean what is max. lose accept from blinds?
If you fold every big blind, you will run at -100bb/100hands and if you fold every small blind you will run at -50bb/100hands. So everything lower than this is good, a good goal would be to win back half of this (-50bb/100 from bb and -25bb/100 from sb). Keep in mind that it's almost impossible to reach a positive win rate from the blinds.

Here are my stats if you want to compare. Obviously I am not crushing the game at 3BB/100 but it can give you a rough idea.



Make a search in HEM forums if you want to have all your FR position like this :
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02-17-2010 , 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JimmyJack
Those win rates are unachievable from the blinds.
I'm certain we are saying the same thing. I use PT3, you use HEM

So your sb would be at (.1003)BB/100 and your bb would be (.2133)BB/100 ... excellent numbers and right on what I was saying.
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02-17-2010 , 03:39 PM
OK. it looks like my BB stats are quite good but I should stop completing SB.

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02-17-2010 , 04:17 PM
Hey guys. Right now im limping small pp (22-66) in EP for the sole purpose of setmining. most ppl ive talked to told me it should be a losing play and limping is bad. when i look at the graph of each pp im profitable with the exception of 55 (small sample size maybe). What filters can I use to prove that limping small pp is either a winning or losing play? I use HEM btw.
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02-17-2010 , 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Mingdu
I'm certain we are saying the same thing. I use PT3, you use HEM

So your sb would be at (.1003)BB/100 and your bb would be (.2133)BB/100 ... excellent numbers and right on what I was saying.
oh I think you wanted to say : -.09 BB/ HAND, instead of -.09BB per 100 hands... that's a little different
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02-17-2010 , 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by bebek
What is good winrate from blinds?
I believe anything under -20BB/100 from the big blind is decent.
For the small blind, anything under -12BB/100 should be okay.
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02-18-2010 , 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by bebek
Please help me fix my play from the blinds!
First graph is without blinds, and second graph with blinds.
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2





Thanks for advance
bebek:

Yeah, your loss rates are a little high. There are hands you are cold calling with that are unprofitable.

The way you check this is to go to the position tab. Then put on the did cold call = true filter in HEM (PT3 is actions tab/called raise).

In HEM, you then proceed to analyze by groups of hands. So go to the hole card tab and deselect all, then select a group of hands, say, 22-66. Check to see if you are making $$, losing $$ or close to break even, as compared to folding. If you are close to b/e, or losing, filter for position of raiser to see if this narrows your leak to calling certain raises. Repeat this process for all groups of hands you cold call with ( hi suited connectors and one gappers together, then low suited connectors and one gappers together, then decent aces, decent pocket pairs, decent kings, ragged aces, etc., until you have looked at your entire range.) If you identify hands you are losing more with than you would if you folded, you need to change the way you play them. In the long run you want to call profitably, but in the short run you should consider adopting a 3 bet or fold strat with hands you play for a loss (compared to folding). Then you slowly add back hands, starting with the best ones you were forced to remove from your cold calling range.

You may have to repeat this process as you move up stakes--just because you get to the point at $10 where you can cold call 98s profitably does not mean you will be able to do it against the tougher competition at $25, etc.

As a previous poster also said, you need to up your late position win rates. Run this filter: your position is co or btn, the action is unopened to you, you raise, and then you see a flop. These are your steals that get called, or 3 bet and you call. you should have a solid positive win rate here; if you do not, you should consider changing up your post flop play significantly. You may also have to tighten up your stealing range, as a negative number here would indicate that your postflop skills are not up to making a profit from your preflop stealing range. We prefer keeping our range wide and learning to play them profitably, but if we can't do that (or as a short term fix) we can drop hands from our stealing range and add them back in as our post flop skills improve.

If you think you need to drop some hands from your stealing range (again, temporarily, the goal is to slowly add back in the best ones that are unprofitable) then you have to analyze your stealing range the same way you did with the cold calling range in the blinds. The reason this is the case is because it will not necessarily be the weakest hands that are unprofitable. Your particular problem might be with the dominated hands, for example. So you have to check all hands to see what your specific leak is.
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02-18-2010 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Zak3nnay0
Hey guys. Right now im limping small pp (22-66) in EP for the sole purpose of setmining. most ppl ive talked to told me it should be a losing play and limping is bad. when i look at the graph of each pp im profitable with the exception of 55 (small sample size maybe). What filters can I use to prove that limping small pp is either a winning or losing play? I use HEM btw.
go to the position page. go to the filters window. go to more filters, click vpip = true, pfr = false. go to the hole cards (HE) tab. deselect all. select 22-66 (or w/e your limp/calling range is from EP). click save and close. on the position page, review your w/r. if it's gren, you are making a profit. if it is red you are losing.

if it is green, you have to ask yourself whether you could make more by raising.

gl.
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02-18-2010 , 05:25 PM
I am in a downswing right now, and I don't know if I can write it off to variance. Last year, I made a little over 1k online through the micros and more than 25k live at 200NL and 500NL. This year, I am down like $400 online and 6.5k live. I am at a complete loss. Please take a look and let me know what you see and if there are any more stats you need. Thanks!


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02-19-2010 , 02:01 AM
Should I be worried about my 50nl graph yet? I know its still a small sample size but I'm slightly concerned about having this long of a BE stretch to start. I've definitely had some coolers in there but I'm sure I've sucked out a couple times too (coolers = set over set, AA v KK, etc).






And here's my 25nl graph for reference:

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02-19-2010 , 02:53 AM
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Originally Posted by eckstein88
Should I be worried about my 50nl graph yet? I know its still a small sample size but I'm slightly concerned about having this long of a BE stretch to start.
In short, no. You are likely making a common mistake of thinking that since it's 50NL, you are getting 3 bet light, and played back at, floated ect.. way more than you were at 25NL. They are, but not that much more, so don't start playing back at people playing back at you just yet. Let them take the pots for now, get history with them, take notes, do session and villain reviews, then start exploiting those who are exploiting you.

Post stats if you want more specific help.
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02-19-2010 , 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnytothec
In short, no. You are likely making a common mistake of thinking that since it's 50NL, you are getting 3 bet light, and played back at, floated ect.. way more than you were at 25NL. They are, but not that much more, so don't start playing back at people playing back at you just yet. Let them take the pots for now, get history with them, take notes, do session and villain reviews, then start exploiting those who are exploiting you.

Post stats if you want more specific help.
Not sure which stats to post so here's the default for HEM:



Flop Cbet: 65.2
Flop Cbet Success: 45.7
Turn Cbet: 53.8
Flop Fold vs Cbet: 63.3
Flop vs Raise Fold%: 57.6
Steal: 34.3
Preflop Positional Awareness: 6.67
River Call Efficiency: 2.06


Edit: Also, I might be doing it a little, but I'm not fighting when I get "played back at" particularly much. This is my second foray into 50nl and I remember that problem from last time


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $50.00
BB: $51.50
Hero (UTG): $56.30
UTG+1: $108.10
UTG+2: $52.00
MP1: $50.35
MP2: $45.00
CO: $38.40
BTN: $65.30

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to $2, 4 folds, CO calls $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) K Q 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, CO calls $3, BB folds

Turn: ($12.25) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, CO raises to $14, Hero folds

Last edited by eckstein88; 02-19-2010 at 07:30 AM.
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02-19-2010 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by eckstein88
Not sure which stats to post so here's the default for HEM:



Flop Cbet: 65.2
Flop Cbet Success: 45.7
Turn Cbet: 53.8
Flop Fold vs Cbet: 63.3
Flop vs Raise Fold%: 57.6
Steal: 34.3
Preflop Positional Awareness: 6.67
River Call Efficiency: 2.06


Edit: Also, I might be doing it a little, but I'm not fighting when I get "played back at" particularly much. This is my second foray into 50nl and I remember that problem from last time


Poker Stars $0.25/$0.50 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

SB: $50.00
BB: $51.50
Hero (UTG): $56.30
UTG+1: $108.10
UTG+2: $52.00
MP1: $50.35
MP2: $45.00
CO: $38.40
BTN: $65.30

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG with K A
Hero raises to $2, 4 folds, CO calls $2, 2 folds, BB calls $1.50

Flop: ($6.25) K Q 5 (3 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $3, CO calls $3, BB folds

Turn: ($12.25) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $7, CO raises to $14, Hero folds
Wow, you are having some problems.

1. Your blind loss rates are huge. It could just be sample size, but you are really going to have to pay attention to them. They need to come down a lot; your SB by about half and your BB by about 1/3. Read a few posts up where I talked about finding leaks from the blinds. One thing you are going to have to do is 3 bet more from the blinds. Your stats are the tightest I have ever seen from the blinds. You need to know that the SB is a stealing position, too.

2. Your late position win rates are really low. It looks to me like you are probably losing money postflop on your steals that get called. Your flop aggression % on the button is the lowest of all your non-blind positions. You are playing your steals more passively than you do pretty much anything else. That's not terrible in theory, but you have to make sure you are c-betting a decent number of your steals, simply because your range is too weak to win at showdown with any consistency.

3. You need to be 3 and 4 betting more from all positions.

4. Your W$SD and your River Call efficiency are both on the high side. You may be folding a few winning hands to river pressure.

Your fundamentals look pretty sound. You'll obviously be able to beat the game.

I don't hate the fold in the hand you posted. If you're going to make a mistake, making a small one is better than making a big one. KQx and AQx boards are basically the worst for AK when it makes a hand. The flush draw is going to screw up the turn for you a lot, and so are an ace or a 9.

That said, you probably folded the best hand. He is repping a narrow range, basically 55 and KQ as hands that beat you, otherwise he is min-raising a draw or air.

But at $50, people are raising a lot of flops that look scary. Well, not a lot like at $400, but there are plenty of people out there min-raising c-bets.

When you get raised on a flop that looks like it didn't hit the villain or you, you have to be prepared to do something at least some of the time against the most aggro guys--4 bet, call and re-eval, or turn your hand into a re-bluff.

The villain in this hand is a 15/5/3, so I figured his range to call preflop was pocket pairs and suited hands--connectors and maybe some aces. His small raise on the flop, to me, says he has an underpair to the board most of the time and just wants me to go away. I think he is trying to rep a T, but his range and card removal don't leave him a ton of Ts to have, so I don't really buy it.

Full Tilt Poker $50.00 No Limit Hold'em - 9 players
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

Hero (UTG+2): $52.25
MP1: $54.80
MP2: $43.15
CO: $98.70
BTN: $16.75
SB: $50.00
BB: $112.90
UTG: $50.75
UTG+1: $59.20

Pre Flop: ($0.75) Hero is UTG+2 with 4 4
2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 2 folds, CO calls $1.75, 3 folds

Flop: ($4.25) T Q T (2 players)
Hero bets $3.00, CO raises to $7.25, Hero calls $4.25

Turn: ($18.75) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $14.50, CO folds

Final Pot: $18.75
Hero wins $17.85
(Rake: $0.90)

Not a play I make a lot, but he was pretty aggro, and I felt pretty confident that his range couldn't take a lot of pressure. There's a non-zero chance that I had the best hand, so I may have sacrificed some showdown value here, but it is hard to see a passive line getting to showdown with the best hand, so I just elected to turn my hand into a bluff and fold 55-99 and JJ. I'm also aware that he can have hands like KJ (probably suited) and suited connectors that can hit a pair and be good against me. So I realize I may be charging some draws as well.

Again, I'm not saying this is a great play and I am not saying you can make this play a lot. But people are raising junk, and you can't just auto-fold to very raise.
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02-19-2010 , 09:39 AM
Wow, thank you mpethy. That is incredibly helpful. You said my fundamentals were good, which is definitely encouraging

If you get a chance, I would really appreciate a look at my 25nl stats

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02-19-2010 , 10:22 AM
Mpethybridge thanks a lot, You really help me!
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02-19-2010 , 11:00 AM
I think I should stop over limping, cold calling and play raise, 3bet or fold... I change my filters when I only call and all is lose!

Last edited by bebek; 02-19-2010 at 11:10 AM.
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02-19-2010 , 06:39 PM
I know I have some leaks. Hopefully you guys can identify them.
here is my graph.



stats.
Hands: 60405 $761 5.04bb/100
VPIP% 16 PFR% 9.2
3bet% 2.2 vs 3bet call % 27.6 4bet range .7 sqz% 1.7
WTSD% 23.8 W$SD% 57 W%WSF 33(not sure what they mean, plz explain)
Agg 2.35 Agg % 27.1
Flop cbet 57.5% Flop cbet success 37.9 %
flop fold vs cbet %63.6 flop vs raise fold % 48.6 steal pct 26.
sb rr steal 5 bb rr steal 4.6
sb fold to steal 88.6 bb fold to steal 81.9

If you need any other stats to help you better examine my game and leaks , please let me know and i will provide whatever you need.

Thanks.
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02-19-2010 , 11:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Victim22
I know I have some leaks. Hopefully you guys can identify them.
here is my graph.



stats.
Hands: 60405 $761 5.04bb/100
VPIP% 16 PFR% 9.2
3bet% 2.2 vs 3bet call % 27.6 4bet range .7 sqz% 1.7
WTSD% 23.8 W$SD% 57 W%WSF 33(not sure what they mean, plz explain)
Agg 2.35 Agg % 27.1
Flop cbet 57.5% Flop cbet success 37.9 %
flop fold vs cbet %63.6 flop vs raise fold % 48.6 steal pct 26.
sb rr steal 5 bb rr steal 4.6
sb fold to steal 88.6 bb fold to steal 81.9

If you need any other stats to help you better examine my game and leaks , please let me know and i will provide whatever you need.

Thanks.
Post a screen shot of your position report and your overall report. at least the following stats:

bb100/evbb100/vpip/pfr/af/cc/3bet%/f23bet%/ats/flop cbet/wtsd/w$sd/W$WSF
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02-19-2010 , 11:57 PM
Hey everybody. I'm having a few issues with my NL10 play which I thought maybe a post here might help shed some light on.

Most of my play is dedicated to NL50, but i've been 1-2 tabling NL10 while I mass table to try a bit of a looser strategy than I play on the higher limits. I think i'm definately overplaying TPTK and as such losing more money at showdown than I should be, which is a leak i'm working on, but maybe you guys could help me out with identifying some others.







PS - I know, I know, samplesize.
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02-20-2010 , 03:41 AM
Here's my positions stats:



and my overall stats:





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02-20-2010 , 04:32 PM
Just a quick question: What do you think would is considered an ideal Cbet% and F2CB% for someone playing a solid, TAG game?
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02-21-2010 , 03:41 AM
I did try something new 10k hand LAG project jeah small sample...



is it bad to play so agro on BB?
i still do lot of stupid stuff like shoving agenst nuts
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