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01-18-2010 , 03:27 AM
Going to try to move up again, would appreciate any feedback on these stats.

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01-18-2010 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Andyboy
How can I get that report in PT3??

I've been searching all night for this.

Thanks!
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01-18-2010 , 12:08 PM
Hello, 2p2!
I would like to know what do you guys have to say about those ones!
NL10 Full Ring @ PStars.
Looking forward for some help.
Thank you!



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01-18-2010 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DCSemi
How can I get that report in PT3??

I've been searching all night for this.

Thanks!
This is the second tab, 'Details', in the Cash Games window.
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01-18-2010 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Pokerov
Hello, 2p2!
I would like to know what do you guys have to say about those ones!
NL10 Full Ring @ PStars.
Looking forward for some help.
Thank you!
I am probably not yet qualified to comment on your stats, given my own, but maybe it will start the ball rolling for someone more knowledgeable to help us all out.

I think your VPIP and PFR are good, but it looks to me like you could be a little more aggressive. I would think your Flop CB is low (whereas mine is too high), and it looks like you may be calling too many 3b. Just guessing here, too, but is Fold Flop v Raise too low (not really sure where this should be)? Maybe you are taking your TPTK hands too far. If a nit is raising your flop cbet on a dry board, play the turn and river very carefully. They bluff very little.
If I had to guess, in general I'd say you're waiting for high value cards and then kind of sitting on them until showdown, and not folding TPTK when you are beat. What're your steal % and positional stats? Maybe you need to open up more in LP (cutoff and btn) and steal more when there are nits in the blinds. Also, look for good opportunities to Cbet even though you may have missed the flop.

Edit: Ah, just saw your steal stats. Wouldn't hurt to get those to 30% or more.

Last edited by tiltn'noob; 01-18-2010 at 04:55 PM. Reason: saw more stats
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01-18-2010 , 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by tiltn'noob
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TY sir!
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01-18-2010 , 08:48 PM
can someone link me to the same type of thread for omaha8? actually NLO8 would be the most ideal. i'd like to discuss them stats with someone. i did make a post about it in the omaha8 thread about my omaha manager stats.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...8&goto=newpost

only got the copy of omaha manager a few days ago, just getting familiar with it.
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01-18-2010 , 11:17 PM
Here are my stats from 10NL 6max, anyone have any input?

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01-19-2010 , 05:59 AM
Okay guys, I *REALLY* need your inputs about the following stats I'm gonna show you. However, I'd like you to know a little about me... it may help you in your analysis.

I started playing on Stars with $30, starting by 4tabling NL2 and grinding my way up. Once I was at $120, I moved up to NL5. In no time (about 12k hands), I made 28 Buy-ins (~$140) so I moved up to NL10, and then... it's a little harder. I played about 120k hands at NL10, and I can't win constantly. I made some cash and tried to move up at NL25 (when I was at about $700 on my roll) but I ran REALLY bad (set over set, flush vs. boats, very BAD luck for me at NL25). So I was back in NL10... I grinded a bit more to give another shot at NL25 and it wasn't *that* good, so now, I'm trying to get my game at the "next" level, so I can be a better player, and move up. To be honest, I'm getting frustrated at still be playing NL10 so I really look forward to have some inputs to make my game better.

So here they are (the stats) and I hope your comments will be constructive and useful. If anyone feels like sending me a PM to give his "analysis", I'll appreciate for sure.

So feel free to help me.

Thanks a lot!



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01-19-2010 , 03:47 PM
Hi, been running super bad the last 2k hands so I'm not sure my bb/100 is any relevant, but I guess my other stats are.
Any advice is welcome

All NL10 FR on full tilt


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01-19-2010 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tiltn'noob
Going to try to move up again, would appreciate any feedback on these stats.

Your flop cbet is fairly high. Around 70% is good. Roughly, if you don’t ever cbet air into 3 opponents, don’t cbet air into 2 opponents on a 7JT two tone board, or cbet a 235 board against a set mining nit, you should almost be there. Also check some of your strong hands on boards that you would usually cbet. If everytime you check the flop, you don’t have anything, it will be pretty easy to adjust to that, but when your checks have strong hands in them as well, you will be more difficult to play against.

Also, increase your turn cbet %. Your 80% flop and 40% turn cbet makes you an ideal candidate to float. This is a great thread on floating the will help you do it more effectively and recognize when it is being done to you. This is a good post on double barreling that help you to pick the right spots. http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...reling-651776/

Your W$@SD is a little low. Go through your database and find hands where you had tptk or an overpair and were raised on the turn. This is common and huge leak of continuing in this spot against passive villains.
I think that you could definitely be more creative preflop if you want to be. Right now, you have a 3% 3b, 1% 4bet, and 2.7% squeeze. Knowing the right spot to squeeze, 3 and 4 bet without premium hands is huge in beating a game filled with regs.

I didn’t see your steal %, but if it is less than 30%, definitely this cotw http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...ealing-419666/ and pokey’s legendary pooh-bah http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...Number=5348855

The foundation of your game seems solid and I think with some minor adjustments you will be beating these games.
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01-20-2010 , 02:40 PM
Hi guys these are my stats after cca 23.500 hands and my graph so please go ahead and give me some critics about that



1) I think my ptBB/100 of 3.41 is too low so id welcome any change to make it bigger
2)My red curve is in comparation of other stats is too high so i dont know wheter its good or i should be distracted of that
3)already about 7-8k hands i stagnate in 70-80$ range so i hope somebody can tell me why is that.



thank you for advices!
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01-20-2010 , 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by DCSemi
Okay guys, I *REALLY* need your inputs about the following stats I'm gonna show you. However, I'd like you to know a little about me... it may help you in your analysis.

I started playing on Stars with $30, starting by 4tabling NL2 and grinding my way up. Once I was at $120, I moved up to NL5. In no time (about 12k hands), I made 28 Buy-ins (~$140) so I moved up to NL10, and then... it's a little harder. I played about 120k hands at NL10, and I can't win constantly. I made some cash and tried to move up at NL25 (when I was at about $700 on my roll) but I ran REALLY bad (set over set, flush vs. boats, very BAD luck for me at NL25). So I was back in NL10... I grinded a bit more to give another shot at NL25 and it wasn't *that* good, so now, I'm trying to get my game at the "next" level, so I can be a better player, and move up. To be honest, I'm getting frustrated at still be playing NL10 so I really look forward to have some inputs to make my game better.

So here they are (the stats) and I hope your comments will be constructive and useful. If anyone feels like sending me a PM to give his "analysis", I'll appreciate for sure.

So feel free to help me.
Your PFR and VPIP are a little too spread apart, esp from late position. You might be limping hands like 77 from the c/o after a few limpers, or over limping 910s after 4 limpers. That is fine. Raising is better. 77 and 910s get a lot of their total value from their fold equity instead of showdown value equity (as opposed to AA for example). If you play these passively after limpers, you are giving up the most valuable thing about these hands.

Your went to showdown is high. You could either be not betting enough on later streets when you are ahead, or you could be calling too much behind. Your AF of 2-3 is a little low. It tells me that you are not playing draws aggressively, and are going for pot control too much.

Your 3b% of less than 3% is missing out on a lot of chances to squeeze and steal. You are folding to 3 bets just a tad too often. Learn what criteria are make for a good light 3 bet, and see when regs w/ high 3 bet stats do this to you in that spot, punish them by either 4 betting or flatting and floating.
Your blind play looks ok. I think you might be completing and calling raises a bit too much, and not punishing obv blind thiefs.

A lot earlier itt, mpethybridge gave a quick guide to improving your blind play.
In the small blind, when it is folded to you, raise almost any 2 cards.
In the big blind, when there is only a LP limper, raise a lot of hands.
In the big blind, when the action is only the small blind completing, raise almost any two cards (but be careful and respect 3 bets, because people often limp big hands here).
In limped pots, Hu or 3 way, bet any pair or draw you flop if the texture of the flop is bad.
It's an oldie but goodie--consider betting with any two cards in a limped 2 or 3 way pot when the flop is paired.
In the big blind, HU against the SB, if he checks, bet. always. seriously, always. If he calls, bet a lot of turns, too.
Analyze your 3 betting. make sure you are 3 betting hands you want to felt and hands that are just barely not good enough to call a steal with--flat call with everything in between.
Carefully analyze your 3 bet hands that see a flop. This is a HUGE leak, because these are big pots. Losing too much in these spots is KILLING my blind play. If you are negative in hands you 3 bet out of the blinds (excluding your monsters) you would be better off for the time being folding these hands while you crack the code on how to play these pots (most villains will not notice your temporarily unbalanced 3 betting range).
Avoid getting into ego-driven pissing contests. I lost a $30 pot a few days ago in the big blind with 82o. Yep, true story! It folded to the SB, who completed, and I raised to 2. He called. Flop had two spades. He checked, i bet, he called. Turn completed the flush. he bet $10, I RAISED, lol, and he called. Common sense eventually returned, and when he checked the river I checked behind (and saw his flush). lol, oh well, meta-game. But really, $30 of absolutely mindless spew, just bound and determined to WIN THIS POT. lol, don't do it.

Your W$SD needs to be much higher. If you are playing very agro and laggy it is ok to have this below 50% b/c you are pushing draws so hard and applying pressure to get hands you know are better to fold, which doesn’t always work. This will be offset by a massively positive red line. If you are playing a TAG style with a negative red line, you need this up around 54%.

On the whole, I think that your biggest leak might be hand reading. Put people on a range, and narrow that range on each street until you have a fairly good idea of where they are at. Think about what hand you have represented. Given what you have represented, how does the villains range react to a check/bet/raise ect… Also, ask is this the type of villain who is even paying attention to what I am doing and trying to put me on a hand/range? If no, play in a much more exploitable manner, to exploit those who will not exploit you.
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01-20-2010 , 07:35 PM
who is someone able to evaluate stats in omaha8?

ive noticed something very odd about my stats. seems like i am doing worse in the last year, but i think thats primarily due to dropping the last few days so much. and it might be due to games just getting tougher online. still best to play LIVE but getting the initial $3000-5000 together to get started is the real challenge.

i lied at the beginning of my blog when i said i was coming to vegas underrolled with $3000. that wasnt underrolled at all had i never played anything but poker. thats 60 whole $50 buyins. but thats another subject.

anyway from jan 2009 til now on stars, i have 14,312 hands logged with a total win of $563 and a rate of 6.03BB/100 for just 8 and 9 handed NLO8 tables. (the vast majority of my online play)

and from jan 2002-jan2009, i logged 15093 hands with a total win of $1068, and a win rate of 8.95bb/100 now i know im not getting worse, i learn more about poker everyday, so its just the games are getting tougher.

my stats havent changed. it was 14/5/2 and is now 16/4/2 so thats essentially no different. any other ways i should break these stats down? so u can analyze them better.
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01-20-2010 , 07:37 PM
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44...-stars-686998/

much more detailed omaha stats here.
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01-20-2010 , 08:45 PM
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i lied at the beginning of my blog when i said i was coming to vegas underrolled with $3000.
Wow.

How is Blackhawk treating you btw? It has been a while since I last saw you up there.

Omaha 8 posts go over here ...> http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44/omaha-8/. Not once in this 2600 post thread have we gone over omaha. Hopefully someone over there can help, but I will say that that is still a fairly small sample size, and you will need to grind some more hands for some of the stats to become meaningful.

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01-20-2010 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnytothec
Wow.

How is Blackhawk treating you btw? It has been a while since I last saw you up there.

Omaha 8 posts go over here ...> http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/44/omaha-8/. Not once in this 2600 post thread have we gone over omaha. Hopefully someone over there can help, but I will say that that is still a fairly small sample size, and you will need to grind some more hands for some of the stats to become meaningful.
i havent been in blackhawk in some time. left there end of sept to go to vegas and came home mid dec and been home since playing online. and that other post u quoted from?--i didnt realize it was in there. id originally posted that on another forum website, and i copied and pasted it here too so people here would see my stats too, without taking time to proofread it before i reposted here. so thats why it said something making no sense. it wouldve only made sense to those readers. and now it wont let me edit it out.

but as u can see i did post it on the omaha thread and got almost no response, so thats why i reposted it here too.

since i normally only play 1-2 tables and then i disappear alot of the year to grind live poker instead getting larger sample sizes take time.
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01-21-2010 , 04:09 AM
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Originally Posted by johnnytothec
Your flop cbet ...
Johnnyttc: excellent analysis, as always (have you considered doing some coaching?)

Actually, I have been working on some of the things you've mentioned in the past couple weeks, such as being more careful about cbetting. I thought I would post some stats from that time, but there is not much change in them, so I will redouble my efforts there and in the other areas you mentioned (steal pct is currently at 32%).

Thank you, sir.
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01-21-2010 , 06:35 AM
You Like? I find my graph exciting. :P





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01-21-2010 , 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by tiltn'noob
Johnnyttc: excellent analysis, as always (have you considered doing some coaching?)
Someday. I have a long way to go before I am ready for that. Thanks though!

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You Like? I find my graph exciting. :P
You sir, are aggressive. Pics of stats (or bacon) or GTFO!
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01-21-2010 , 02:44 PM
Stopped playing online a while ago and recently restarted at 5nl and moved up to 10nl. Looking for a review as I've changed the way a play since the last time I posted in this thread.

thanks





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01-21-2010 , 03:43 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnytothec
You sir, are aggressive. Pics of stats (or bacon) or GTFO!
Take a guess, if you are correct within reason, i will post pics of bacon and stats Haha.
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01-21-2010 , 03:53 PM
Everyone knows you are a 6/5 open shoving short stacker!
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01-21-2010 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by johnnytothec
Everyone knows you are a 6/5 open shoving short stacker!
Damn, that was good! Made me smile. So I had to disprove this theory right away.

Here is a teaser. I am a 19.7/16. AF = 2.66.
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01-21-2010 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by NewSkol
Damn, that was good! Made me smile. So I had to disprove this theory right away.

Here is a teaser. I am a 19.7/16. AF = 2.66.
This is my best guess at what your stats look like.

I followed a super fish up from 25NL and played 100NL for like 30 min. I know nitting it up at 19.67/16 is NOTHING like lagging it up at 19.70/16, but thats my final answer on what your stats look like.

-why are you cbetting 93% of flops???

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