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NL2 Multiway Pot with AKs NL2 Multiway Pot with AKs

07-30-2019 , 10:07 PM
Game: ACR, $0.01/ $0.02, Full Ring

SB ($2.62) (131bb) [vpip:19, pfr:9.8, 3bet:3.3, hands:266]
BB ($4.07) (203.5bb) [vpip:36, pfr:9, hands:11]
UTG ($2.09) (104.5bb) [vpip:42, pfr:36, 3bet:46, hands:60]
UTG+1 ($2.50) (125bb) [vpip:25, pfr:20, 3bet:14, hands:20]
MP1 ($2.46) (123bb) [vpip:65, pfr:6, 3bet:0, hands:17]
MP2 ($0.74) (37bb) [vpip:31, pfr:20, 3bet:22, hands:42]
HJ ($2.64) (132bb) [vpip:42, pfr:35, 3bet:23, hands:40]
CO (Hero) ($2.04) (102bb)
BTN ($1.80) (90bb) [vpip:19, hands:11, 3bet 4.3, hands:240]

Preflop: Hero is CO with A K
UTG raises to 2bb, 2 folds, MP2 raises to 7bb, HJ folds, Hero (CO) calls 7bb, 2 folds, BB calls 6bb, UTG calls 5bb.

Flop: (Pot: 28.5bb) 7 T J (4 players)
BB checks, UTG bets 14bb, MP2 raises to 30bb and is all in, Hero (CO) calls 30bb, BB folds, UTG calls 16bb

Turn (Pot: 118.5bb) K (3 players)
UTG checks, Hero (CO) bets 65bb and is all in, UTG folds


My Thoughts- Preflop, I decided to flat since I didn't necessarily want to play for stacks with AK, but given how wide UTG is raising and MP2 is 3betting, I think a 4bet would have been the better play, with the plan to call if either of them jams. I'm interested to hear what everyone thinks of this line as opposed to the one I took, as well as what to do with a less premium hand like AQ or maybe TT (I think I should still look to 4bet against these opponents, but I'm less certain), as well as what to do if my opponents were solid TAGs (in this case, I think a call with AKs is correct, but again, I'm uncertain).

After the flop and a bet and a raise from the two aggressive players, I was really unsure of how to proceed. Honestly, a fold doesn't seem unreasonable, but I felt like I had too much equity to fold with two overs, the gutshot nut straight draw, and the backdoor nut flush draw. In the moment, I decided to make the call with the plan to jam to any non-heart queen, king, or ace, and possibly any low spades on the turn. I'm still really uncertain whether this plan is any good though, because many of my "outs" like the king and ace might just complete some two pairs and straights and leave me without the best hand. Perhaps a fold on the flop is simplest/best.

On the turn, I hit a non-heart king, so I followed through and jammed, and got a fold. I think my opponent might call with some worse hands (AJ, KQ), so I don't completely hate this bet, but like I said in the previous paragraph, I still don't feel entirely comfortable with my plan. It's also unclear whether UTG would even check if they had a hand like AJ or KQ given their maniac behavior, so once again, I feel uncertain about my line.

Any feedback is appreciated.
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07-31-2019 , 06:55 AM
Yeah given these villains I feel a 4! Is mandatory here.

Utg is way too loose aggressive, and mps 3! Is suspect and worth a note. Sure he's only 3! 2 or 9 times and could easily have had AA both times, but now it's 3/10 3! Opportunities. The other thing these stats tell me is these guys probably aren't positionally aware. I rarely see people this loose who are positionally aware.

Utg opened for 2x and mp made a 3! That is smaller than normal (which is fine for his stack depth).

Also people drastically underestimate the value of being the agressor.

As for flop just fold, you aren't closing the action. Had it been a half psb and call I think it's now close but I'd lean towards fold with bb behind. This flop pretty much crushes a 3! Cold calling range. Which is you and bb. It is also is good for utg r/c range. So I lean towards a fold if it were b/c on flop. B/shove with the action still open for 2 people whos range connects with this board is a must fold.

Turn yeah gin, you must get it in with all the money in the pot. Honestly with all the dead money getting a fold from utg is not at all a bad result. What ever he has, you must assume he has some equity against you. So it's not terrible to fold that out right now. Sure he has AJ and MIGHT fold when he is crushed. But he could fold Qx or hearts which isn't that bad for you to see fold.
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07-31-2019 , 06:22 PM
Ignore the stats and 4bet/fold pre as a default. The bb randomly flatting immediately shows why that lines is vastly superior regardless of anyone's stats.

Fold flop AP.

Check back turn AP to try to see a cheap showdown with your sd-value.
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08-01-2019 , 06:34 AM
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Originally Posted by WorldzMine
Ignore the stats and 4bet/fold pre as a default.
Please post the math and ranges villains need for this to be solid advice. Seems super nitty compared to what I see people 5! Shoving with who have similar stats. But hey ignoring stats & evidence sounds like a solid plan, for someone who likes making bad decisions.

As a quick thought I feel that there is absolutely no range for mp2 could have where 4!/f is the right line. Even if he only ever has KK+ you are still getting the right price if you 4! To something normal like 20-25bb here. Assuming worst case scenario you 4! To 20 everyone folds and mp2 shoves. You need to call 17bb to win 77.5. you only need 22% equity to make the call. If he only has AA or KK you have 23% equity.
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08-01-2019 , 09:30 AM
worldz must've missed mp2 was short
4b/c vs both mp2 and utg, btw the "normal" 4b size is not 20-25bb, more like 17-18
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08-01-2019 , 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ionutd
worldz must've missed mp2 was short
4b/c vs both mp2 and utg, btw the "normal" 4b size is not 20-25bb, more like 17-18
This. And yeah I did, that hand history is kind of weird.
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