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05-31-2017 , 04:13 AM

Beasting

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200nl, 6 max table (online). Folded around to c/o who open raises to $5.

We (hero) have 34s.

We don't know much about the other 5 players. Effective stack sizes for all 6 players are roughly 100bb.

What are hero's best options? Personally I like folding sometimes, raising sometimes, and flatting other times, though I would prefer to fold or raise. More often than not I'd fold this, however. Is that too nitty for today's game?

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05-31-2017 , 04:18 AM

IClickButtons

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good to put it in 3bet range vs co open

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05-31-2017 , 04:31 AM

UpDog

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Probably way too loose, just automatic fold for me if you're talking about vs CO both IP and OOP (its not clear in your post, sorry) we'll always have better suited connectors and suited cards to 3 bet with and 43s is the second worst suited connector and arguably one of the worst suited cards with 4 high.

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05-31-2017 , 04:42 AM

IClickButtons

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Originally Posted by UpDog

u have to have lots of blufs here and most better suited connectors are just worth to call vs co

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05-31-2017 , 04:53 AM

Beasting

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I agree. What are you doing with AJos, same scenario? I tend to flat in this case, but it feels like such a weak play. I'm not comfortable raising with AJos, though, with the SB and BB still left to act.

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05-31-2017 , 04:54 AM

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u have to have lots of blufs here and most better suited connectors are just worth to call vs co

IP or OOP? From the BB maybe but most suited connectors are wayyyy too loose of a call from the BU or the SB.

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05-31-2017 , 04:59 AM

.isolated

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Originally Posted by IClickButtons

good to put it in 3bet range vs co open

or fold. Just don't call.

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I'm not comfortable raising with AJos, though, with the SB and BB still left to act.

This is a lot of the reason that you should raise.

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05-31-2017 , 05:21 AM

IClickButtons

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[QUOTE=UpDog;52308442]most suited connectors are wayyyy too loose of a call from the BU or the SB.

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sb - yes, bu - no, depending on player of course, nothing wrong with flatying AJos from the bu either

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05-31-2017 , 06:08 AM

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[QUOTE=IClickButtons;52308483]

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most suited connectors are wayyyy too loose of a call from the BU or the SB.

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sb - yes, bu - no, depending on player of course, nothing wrong with flatying AJos from the bu either

Obviously depends on player but even then I would never flat a ****ty speculative suited connector on the BU vs CO. I'd probably like 3 betting if we're deep to cooler the PFR but if you're cold calling with most suited connectors on the BU vs a CO opener in a standard 100BB situation, I wouldn't be surprised to see that that's where you lose lots of your money there.

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05-31-2017 , 06:12 AM

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Also to comment about AJo, flattings fine against non-aggressive blinds but against aggro players in the blinds, I'd opt for a 3bet or fold strategy. Flattings already meh but depending on how wide CO is opening, it's fine. Normally, people tend to be mighty aggro in the blinds so I'll usually lean more towards folding but yeah.. not the biggest of mistakes to worry about.

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05-31-2017 , 07:00 AM

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flatting aj with agro blinds is fine too with intention of calling a 3bet. we dominate Axs and alot other hands.

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05-31-2017 , 07:03 AM

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IClickButtons

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lol, no need to turn 78s into a bluf vs 25% standard co open assuming we have a polar 3bet range in position, which itself is good in small stakes

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05-31-2017 , 08:14 AM

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flatting aj with agro blinds is fine too with intention of calling a 3bet. we dominate Axs and alot other hands.

Yeah but it doesn't matter that we dominate their hands. You talk as if preflop equity is all that matters. Their aggression will be able to fold out our hands like AJs, esp if we cold call from the BU and flat the 3 bet from the blinds. Even when we get top two, our hand is pretty vulnerable and overall is just not a good spot to be in.

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05-31-2017 , 08:15 AM

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lol, no need to turn 78s into a bluf vs 25% standard co open assuming we have a polar 3bet range in position, which itself is good in small stakes

Lol what? What do you think a polar range means and contains lol

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05-31-2017 , 09:07 AM

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IClickButtons

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Lol what? What do you think a polar range means and contains lol

It looks your understading of polar 3bet range bt vs co is a bit biased. 87s is just to good to put in bluffs in those positions, it is playsd perfectly fine as a call. As it is played fine as a call and we want to play as wide as possible from bu, it makes sense to look for some weaker hands to 3bet with as bluffs

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05-31-2017 , 01:51 PM

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I dont think you know what biased means lol
Why do we call with ****ty speculative hands like 87s from the BU when we have nothing invested in the pot? Why are we calling with these "bluffs" if we have nothing invested in these pots?

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05-31-2017 , 04:46 PM

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IClickButtons

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do whatever you want mate, I am not gonna explain you anymore, free lesson is over

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05-31-2017 , 04:48 PM

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UpDog

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Lmao you just spewing misconceptions

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05-31-2017 , 05:03 PM

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IClickButtons

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Lmao you just spewing misconceptions

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lol at you again troll, reading some of your other posts makes me understand how bad you are, good luck in learning

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05-31-2017 , 05:04 PM

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lol at you again troll, reading some of your other posts makes me understand how bad you are, good luck in learning

Why are you so quick to dismiss discussion?
Show me your filter on 87s cold call and the results and go ahead and convince me.

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05-31-2017 , 05:05 PM

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UpDog

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And while youre at it, please do point out the mistakes I have made in my other posts

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05-31-2017 , 08:13 PM

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Beasting

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How would you recommend playing hands like small PPs (44, 55, etc), and hands like KQos from the sb when it is folded around to you?

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06-01-2017 , 01:16 AM

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How would you recommend playing hands like small PPs (44, 55, etc), and hands like KQos from the sb when it is folded around to you?

3b or fold pre from SB. It will increase your WR, esp if you are solid postflop. Stop flatting from the SB, especially with broadways/Ax/SCs. I have 10bb/100 from the SB over 13k hands, and the SB used to be one of my biggest leaks.

I only flat SB if a big passive fish is in the BB, or with a pocket pair if there's a raise & 1+ caller. 99+ just almost always 3-betting though.

As for the thread, 43s fold pre

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06-01-2017 , 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by IClickButtons

I 3b a lot of hands BTN vs CO & dont have much of a cold-calling range, and it works much better esp at higher stakes where people are squeeze happy. Also, people don't 4b bluff enough in general & esp cold 4-bet bluff, so imo 3-betting the vast majority of your continuing range vs CO is more profitable.

I also have seen some mid-stakes Zoom/high-stakes player play, and in general they dont have much of a flatting range BTN vs CO.