M2TR shortstacker illuminati thread - Page 12 - Micro Stakes Full Ring Games

NajdorfDefense · 11-17-2007, 09:45 PM

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that's the thing

very few players are capable of beating high stakes at fullstack
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Bingo. No home Jerome doesn't need to SS, but anyone with an analytical mind but non-GM level poker player can win a lot more SSing HS games than trying to beat Jerome. This is inarguable. Variance is also lower and this is inarguable.

NajdorfDefense · 11-17-2007, 10:03 PM

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prove me wrong then. please.

I don't have to prove the Earth is not flat. You are free to believe whatever you want, I ccl. I enjoy people posting all the things they strongly FEEL that aren't actually true. One of the things that makes 2p2 fun.

Thremp · 11-17-2007, 10:05 PM

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prove me wrong then. please.

I can think of 5 2p2ers off the top of my head.

GG

HonestRyan · 11-18-2007, 05:18 PM

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lol
I would be suprised to see a SS'er @ 2/4+ winning over 2ptbb/100 over a large sample. and if there are some, I would confidently guess its <10.

this is very very easy. but if you can competently SS the nl400 games, you can make much more by fullstacking if BR is not an issue. Of course if your BR was 10-20K i would try SSing the nl400 games, but anything more than 20K and you should be Fullstacking them at a much higher Winrate. imho.

Thremp · 11-18-2007, 05:41 PM

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lol
I would be suprised to see a SS'er @ 2/4+ winning over 2ptbb/100 over a large sample. and if there are some, I would confidently guess its <10.

this is very very easy. but if you can competently SS the nl400 games, you can make much more by fullstacking if BR is not an issue. Of course if your BR was 10-20K i would try SSing the nl400 games, but anything more than 20K and you should be Fullstacking them at a much higher Winrate. imho.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Its like Choo Choo threads are full of tards.

MyTurn2Raise · 11-20-2007, 05:12 PM

ADDENDUM: Does shortstacking ****** your poker growth?

IMO, YES and NO

Honestly, if one shortstacks the way I'm recommending, it's still an awful lot of poker. You'll be putting your opponents on ranges and adjusting to your opponents ranges. You'll learn position. You'll learn different postflop lines against various opponents. Best of all, you'll learn to become a beast at the 25BB and under poker game, which correlates to alot of tournies....and, IMO, tournies are where the real donk money and the occassional big score are at. It's weird, but shortstacking lead to major breakthroughs in my MTT game.

Then again, you'll ****** yourself in one way.... you'll never learn how to properly adjust to facing and the fear of future really massive bets compared to stack size. You won't have to make the judgment calls for 30BBs against a SLAG with two pair on the turn with 50BBs behind.

So, yes and no

you'll learn alot, but it won't make you the next fullstack champion. You won't go backwards unless you stop reading opponents and try to autopilot every move.

AceCR9 · 11-20-2007, 05:23 PM

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prove me wrong then. please.

I can think of 5 2p2ers off the top of my head.

GG

I can think of 200, but that doesn't PROVE anything. It just proves I have a vivid imagination.

you can talk up yourself all you want, but until you post some legit results/datamine, no one is gonna give you any credit.

good to see you found a new area of the forum to troll after getting laughed out of MSNL

11-20-2007, 06:00 PM

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Its like Choo Choo threads are full of tards.

Evidently. Nice to see you here.

MT2R, would you personally be a better poker player if you'd never SS'd and instead fullstacked?

I assume you only fullstack when you play live?

Would you guess SSing made you a better tourney player, and conversely is SSing a good starting poing for tourney players moving to cash games?

You mentioned that SSing is often more effective at higher levels because you can more often resteal against the more aggressive opponents. But do you find that villains at higher levels can adjust for a SSers presence? Has this changed at all since you started? And don't players at higher levels more often put you on the correct range and make good call/fold decisions?

Thremp · 11-21-2007, 12:02 AM

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prove me wrong then. please.

I can think of 5 2p2ers off the top of my head.

GG

I can think of 200, but that doesn't PROVE anything. It just proves I have a vivid imagination.

you can talk up yourself all you want, but until you post some legit results/datamine, no one is gonna give you any credit.

good to see you found a new area of the forum to troll after getting laughed out of MSNL

Oh you mean you and the other idiots in there who don't understand choo choo and make random comments while I takes your monies? Why would I post datamines and ruin my own games?

AceCR9 · 11-21-2007, 12:10 AM

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prove me wrong then. please.

I can think of 5 2p2ers off the top of my head.

GG

I can think of 200, but that doesn't PROVE anything. It just proves I have a vivid imagination.

you can talk up yourself all you want, but until you post some legit results/datamine, no one is gonna give you any credit.

good to see you found a new area of the forum to troll after getting laughed out of MSNL

Oh you mean you and the other idiots in there who don't understand choo choo and make random comments while I takes your monies? Why would I post datamines and ruin my own games?

1. you don't play as high as me, sorry

2. shame all of these "idiots" are making a lot more than you are(or at least I am), we must just be lucky donks, huh?

Thremp · 11-21-2007, 12:16 AM

1. Meaningless. I have top tier WR at 5/10 and am fine with that.

2. O RLY?

**Berge20** · 11-21-2007, 12:19 AM

Put away the E-peens and personal attacks.

NajdorfDefense · 11-21-2007, 07:28 PM

Yeah, everyone hates shortstackers at HSNL because they *don't* win. LOL_erskates. No one can 'prove' that NWE is better than PHL today, yet Vegas has them as a 23-pt favorite.

NajdorfDefense · 11-21-2007, 07:34 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_revo...ium_coelestium

ASPoker8 · 11-21-2007, 07:41 PM

Teacher:

What should I do if I am shortstacking, but imsakidd threatens to murder my family if I keep b ruining his games?

Thremp · 11-22-2007, 01:47 AM

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Teacher:

What should I do if I am shortstacking, but imsakidd threatens to murder my family if I keep b ruining his games?

Be better than him and offer to coach him LDO.

Grinding2Ecstasy · 11-22-2007, 02:07 AM

cant we ban short stackers from the forum? not poker players, not cool in any way, and they turn off fish. seeing this thread every day is killing me.

NajdorfDefense · 11-22-2007, 02:27 AM

I can't play any strategy but the first one I learned, I can't think for myself or adjust, can't we alter the rules of pokah so I always win? I mean, I'm always at those 'deep stack' tables but no one else is, why is that?
Also, I am the one who gets to determine what constitutes real poker...is this thing on?

TimM · 11-22-2007, 01:30 PM

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cant we ban short stackers from the forum? not poker players, not cool in any way, and they turn off fish. seeing this thread every day is killing me.

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Yes let's let people who joined 42 days ago decide who can and can't post.

Grinding2Ecstasy · 11-22-2007, 04:08 PM

wow yea, i guess people that don't ever post here and are barely poker players should decide. thats one of the reasons I hate this stuff, guys like you and the poster above who never post here and prob can barely beat poker want to find some 'gimmick' with which you can grind out a little money without actually learning the game.

Thremp · 11-22-2007, 04:28 PM

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wow yea, i guess people that don't ever post here and are barely poker players should decide. thats one of the reasons I hate this stuff, guys like you and the poster above who never post here and prob can barely beat poker want to find some 'gimmick' with which you can grind out a little money without actually learning the game.

Umm... Its like you guys are stupid. You're correct. Imsa/Kurosh/Stinky etc all play for fun. its better than McDs. But not by much. GG

TimM · 11-22-2007, 11:13 PM

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wow yea, i guess people that don't ever post here and are barely poker players should decide. thats one of the reasons I hate this stuff, guys like you and the poster above who never post here and prob can barely beat poker want to find some 'gimmick' with which you can grind out a little money without actually learning the game.

I suppose that is accurate these days, but LHE was 95% of my income from 2005-2006. Most of my posts are from before that, when I had a real job. I do shortstack now because I feel like it's the easiest transiton from limit, but I didn't come here tofind anything, I was doing fine before this thread started.

NajdorfDefense · 11-23-2007, 04:59 PM

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wow yea, i guess people that don't ever post here and are barely poker players should decide. thats one of the reasons I hate this stuff, guys like you and the poster above who never post here and prob can barely beat poker want ...grind out a little money without actually learning the game.

I've been beating deepstack live poker since 1996. Online poker is a distraction for me from SB and my professional role beating the markets, so 'little' $ doesn't interest me at all. I don't play well when not focused 100% so I just play SS sometimes and laugh at donks like you who can't adjust or learn anything new.
As for 'learning a game' I'll give you 5-1 that Tim can wipe you out at another pure strategy game, like, chess?

When's the last time you played at the DeepStack tables online, or are you just a giant liar? SN?

IceCrystal · 11-24-2007, 04:30 PM

MT2R, will you continue the lessons?

1p0kerboy · 11-24-2007, 04:33 PM

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MT2R, will you continue the lessons?

Is there really that much more to add?

We're talking about 1 or 2 decisions per hand here.