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11-11-2013 , 02:51 AM
PokerStars - $0.25 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BTN: $27.00 (VPIP: 18.21, PFR: 13.40, 3Bet Preflop: 6.28, Hands: 595)
SB: $25.10 (VPIP: 25.08, PFR: 16.51, 3Bet Preflop: 5.65, Hands: 328)
Hero (BB): $83.17
UTG: $55.78 (VPIP: 28.36, PFR: 22.73, 3Bet Preflop: 14.81, Hands: 67)
MP: $38.42 (VPIP: 16.06, PFR: 14.22, 3Bet Preflop: 2.50, Hands: 223)
CO: $19.40 (VPIP: 11.11, PFR: 11.11, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 9)

SB posts SB $0.10, Hero posts BB $0.25

Pre Flop: (pot: $0.35) Hero has K A

UTG raises to $0.75, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to $2.35, UTG calls $1.60

Flop: ($4.80, 2 players) 2 2 8
Hero bets $2.50, UTG calls $2.50

Turn: ($9.80, 2 players) 8
Hero bets $4.75, UTG calls $4.75

River: ($19.30, 2 players) A
Hero bets $9.50, UTG raises to $28.25, Hero calls $18.75

you can make an argument for Check call the river, thats probably the best play. Check folding turn is okay too but then its too weak if we just c bet with all of our AK/AQ and give up on the turn.
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11-11-2013 , 04:52 AM
B/F river, he should have no bluffs here and AQ shouldn't do this
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11-11-2013 , 05:15 AM
what do we do with QQ-KK on this river?

why should we fold our entire range except for AA yoshi?
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11-11-2013 , 05:16 AM
UTG vs CO 3b I don't expect him to be calling the turn very light so i'd c/f turn. Obviously it'd be a different situation if positions were different.

Given we do barrel turn, river is pretty interesting. He almost never has aces due to card removal + preflop action, nor does he have a 2 or an 8 very often.

Unless he has something stupid like quads, then I think we can b/c river because I can't really see what's beating us.

For all we know he could be capable of turning JJ or QQ into a bluff OTR though that would be extremely ambitious given how strong our range looks.
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11-11-2013 , 05:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Deeepz
what do we do with QQ-KK on this river?

why should we fold our entire range except for AA yoshi?
Because we're beat. Both players are deep.
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11-11-2013 , 06:09 AM
Lol not folding

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11-11-2013 , 06:21 AM
he doesnt rep much for value, but it doesnt make much sense as a bluff either, prob just had A2s or 87s or w/e

think folding is prob best but in game id say **** it and call
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11-11-2013 , 07:11 AM
I don't think him bluffing raising otr with a 3x raise can happen too often. It's a long shot but he could have 88 in his range? I think with overpairs he would be raising flop, since he appears TAGish. river bet sizing to go for thin value since its fine but I'd b/f as mentioned above
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11-11-2013 , 07:12 AM
If he's tagish he prob won't raise over earlier
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11-11-2013 , 07:56 AM
Really hard to see what he has for value here bar quads and slowplayed aces full but doubt anyone is going to take this line as a bluff, so probably folding.
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11-11-2013 , 09:26 AM
I hate it to ask but what had he ?
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11-11-2013 , 09:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshimiii
B/F river, he should have no bluffs here and AQ shouldn't do this
Yeah, if he is bluffing it is with something like JJ which is unlikely.
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11-11-2013 , 10:53 AM
So you guys think, he call 3-bet OOP with 88/22/87s? I call here.
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11-11-2013 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by dhnotimba
So you guys think, he call 3-bet OOP with 88/22/87s? I call here.
deep, yea
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11-11-2013 , 10:57 AM
why bet the trn?
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11-11-2013 , 12:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Willietherock
why bet the trn?
To barrel the river and fold out floats.
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11-11-2013 , 12:14 PM
flat pre
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11-11-2013 , 01:47 PM
I would rather check the turn with a lot of my range there. Folding out floats is not what we want. If he has floats we want him to fire and check call. If he often has a better range on this turn then we want to check fold.
As played I think I'm calling unless you 3bet 87s and 98s a lot in this spot.
I also like the advice of calling pre.
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11-11-2013 , 01:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Yoshimiii
Because we're beat. Both players are deep.
What are we beat by???
Quote:
Originally Posted by Red King
I hate it to ask but what had he ?
He had A8dd, card removal effect never works.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wotton
I would rather check the turn with a lot of my range there. Folding out floats is not what we want. If he has floats we want him to fire and check call. If he often has a better range on this turn then we want to check fold.
As played I think I'm calling unless you 3bet 87s and 98s a lot in this spot.
I also like the advice of calling pre.
Why do you guys like calling pre? If we call pre here are we only 3 betting AA/KK for value? Check call the turn? Do we really want to call with AK high on this board?
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11-11-2013 , 02:09 PM
He's IP

Sorry, didn't quote the guy that said something like Do you think he calls 3b w/ 88, 22, 87 OOP

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11-11-2013 , 02:15 PM
It's an UTG open. Without info we should indeed only 3bet KK+ for value. I mean if he opens A8dd he opens a little more than 15%. The fact that he called a 3bet with it means we can 3bet AKs though
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