PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 8 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

SB: 96 BB
BB: 145.2 BB
UTG: 131 BB
UTG+1: 37.8 BB
MP: 97.2 BB
MP+1: 100 BB
CO: 155.4 BB
Hero (BTN): 119.8 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has 9 Q

fold, fold, fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 3 BB, SB calls 2.6 BB, BB raises to 7 BB, Hero calls 4 BB, SB calls 4 BB

Flop: (21 BB, 3 players) 6 Q T
SB checks, BB bets 13 BB, Hero calls 13 BB, fold

Turn: (47 BB, 2 players) 5
BB bets 22.6 BB, Hero calls 22.6 BB

River: (92.2 BB, 2 players) J
BB bets 28 BB, fold,

Does V's 3B range from the BB include 22-99, AJ, AT, then does V turn these below top pair hands into a triple barrel bluff?

If the answer to any of that is sometimes then its a call given these odds. V's bet sizing has gone down on each street which is suspicious, unless its AK that hit his gs and was desperate for a call. If so it's misplayed, on average people that have a hand will definitely call more than that long term.

Bet size %
Pot Bet
Flop 21 13 61.90%
Turn 47 22.6 48.09%
River 92.2 28 30.37%


If the answers never-not often at all then i think its a fold. Given the bet sizing id expect the answer to be some of the time. Maybe V shows AJ, 99,88 some of the time here. Id like to see 3B pre flop, CBF, WTSD and AF though.

Thanks for great answer Gabe! This is full of useful stuff! I have a couple of questions.

1) When you ask me does Villain's 3bet range contain such and such, my immediate answer is "I haven't a clue'. So when you ask yourself such a question and look to find the answer do you actually log onto your hud and creating a report with hands played with a specific villain? And do you do this off the table anyway with all of your most seen regs in order to take notes on how they play and thus how to adjust?

2) You say that by seeing certain stats you would be able to make a more informed decision. Cbet flop stats, wtsd and AF.
I make use of cbet flop% to a degree and this also in conjunction with cbet turn% but I have not got into the habit of using either WTSD or AF. granted, I need to do some of my own research on both of these and will be doing so promptly. However, in the meantime, would you mind giving me an example (or two ) of how in this situation you might read into what those 3 different stats would tell you.

For example say in this spot we saw that villain has cbetF x% WTSD x% AF x%, then we would be able to see that yatta yatta yatta, as opposed to if villain's stats were more like X X X, which would tell us, conversely, that yatta yatta yatta.

This would help me a great deal!

Betts,

Don't know if it will help you, but here is what I use in my HUD:

Name Hands AtS FBB
VPiP PFR AFpF AFF AFT AFR
Donk RFB pF3! pF4! FtpF3! CpFR BB/100
CB FFtCB FTtCB W$F WtS W$S

In this string, pF3! would give us some sort of idea what villain's range is, CB would tell us how much to value the flop bet, the AF's tell us if he drops a lot of aggression on the river (something I see pretty often at the ustakes), and my usual tie breaker is always BB/100 -- the lower it is, the more likely it is I stay in hands with villain.

As played, that Jh is among the worst cards that could come on the river. Vs 88+,ATs+,KQs,AQo+, we are only 25% on the river, but that is hot and cold. Take out a couple hands the villain is not betting with and I think this becomes a fold -- nice hand!

I'm not a fan of the call preflop, tbh. If it was QJs, the playability's there, but with Q9s, I think fold > 4bet > call. As played, flop's fine. Turn's thin, but probably okay.

River's really interesting here, and this looks to me like KK/AQ/AA that hates life right now and is bet-sizing like this to bet-cry/fold this river. The problem is that even if this is their plan, they probably still hate life and call the raise. As played, river's a fold because on this board, it's REALLLLY hard for him to have total air here and I doubt he's betting AJ/AT for value.

1. I do make player type specific spread sheets then collate all the range info into separate range heat maps. I’ve started this the past month and it takes time. But this is only really to get in real world ideas of how people play ranges.

I don’t run any reports but if you use PT4 then it’s fairly simple to start looking at individual players ranges? Let me know if that’s what you use.

To start with use equilab/flopzilla to create likely 3B ranges and save them. Then use whatever process suited to help memorise/visualise them. This is all so eventually you can recall what a likely 12% open range looks like. It’s the starting block of hand reading. (you should really be doing this with your own ranges. This will then help you get comfy with thinking about ranges. Then make different size ranges for each action type)

This is my rfi HJ & CO from tag type players that are good winners and I have 4K+ hands on:



Then this is some flash cards I made on an app:

Front



Back



Then practice through playing/replaying hands.

If V has a PF3B of 3% then we can assume it’s a very tight (none bluff) non bluff range of hands he does it with.

JJ+, AK.

So that’d be pretty simple. Usually at the micros 3B ranges are pretty honest unless they’re obviously not imo.

This is where note taking is very helpful. One mans 8% 3B range might differ to another’s.

2. For instance if V’s stats looked like PF3B 12% AF 6 FCB 75% and WTSD 18% I’d be tempted to put pressure on with top pair.

That’s because V’s 3B range is quite wide and possibly bluffy, we only hit flops on average a third ish of the time and given V’s CB stat they bet plenty of air and have an aggressive streak (AF6) but actually go to showdown less than should be.

This is an imbalance and given we have equity and position it’s a good time to put pressure on.

In all likelihood if I found myself on this flop I’d call flop then given the turn card raise there.

So:

FCB 82% AF4 WTSD 36% means V overbets the flop, is aggro and likes to go to showdown. If their 3B stat is high here I’m more likely to call. If 3B stat is tight I’d be more likely to fold at some point.

FCB 36% AF1 WTSD 20% means V only bets when they hit, aren’t prone to aggressive actions (so are more likely to be honest when they do) and are more selective when they go to showdown. If V has a tight 3B pre I’m outa there often (well honestly I’m rarely in here after the 3B) even if the 3B stat is larger and thus weaker if this V carries on aggression in exploit folding most likely.




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Good stuff here.


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Yeah it could be that in V’s mind their relative hand strength has slipped enough to warrant these small bets.


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Yes this is all very helpful thanks JFT !! I've added some of these to my hud! watch this space

Would you mind explaining roughly the last three " W$F WtS W$S " and how you put these to good use.

I'm slightly surprised that you don't have CBT in there next to CB. I have found myself using those two in conjunction with each other quite a bit, as they give a good indication of which players to float more (often it's dramatic with high cbet% and ridiculously low tcbet%) Would you agree that this is useful or do you feel you can make enough of an assumption from the cbet% alone?

Firstly thank you for all this! and the time you've put into responding!

I do have PT4. I am only really starting to put it to good use recently despite having it for a while.

I am very interested in the exercise you are speaking about of making player type specific spread sheets (and then the heat maps - thats genius). You say "player type specific" so how many different player types do you have? and how do you go about filtering the information from your tracker in order to fill these in?

I am a member of Upswing so I have a tonne of recommended ranges (including 3bet ranges from the different positions) and I do try to practice memorizing different ranges by practicing with a blank matrix i created on excel. However, these "lets call them optimal" ranges are of course not what every player type uses and I could certainly see the benefit of being able to recognise and visualise how different player type play different ranges - sounds like quite a challenge though!

I also have flopzilla and have created a load of my ranges in that. I think that as you say learning to recognise what a X% opening range looks like would be of benefit. Photographic memory would be so cool!

lots more useful stuff here thanks. I'l be reading this again tomorrow

In PT4 go to view stats. In player select the player you are interested in, then go to statistics and from the drop down menu choose holdem hand range visualiser. The will be options on the left to choose from such as positions (i created my own individual ones for UTG1 etc due to PT4 lumping UTG1&2 together and MP1,2&HJ together,

You'll likely have to extrapolate a fair bit still.

Player types ill be doing this for is pretty basic. Tags, Nits, Slags then general fish (dont think I need to separate passive and aggro fish since it's only range in % form im after)

Sorry, I'm not sure I'm using standard abbreviations. Those are definitely some of my less used stats.

W$F = WWSF = Won When Saw Flop: Gives an idea of how much villain splashes around. With a low value, I'm more likely to call thinner later in the hand.

WtS = WTSD = Went to Showdown: I use this two ways: 1) how sticky is villain? If he goes to showdown a bunch, I'm more likely to bet with thinner value since villain is more likely to call with bad hands. 2) It's another measure of how much villain splashes around. With a higher value, the more likely I am to call later streets.

W$S = WSD = Won at Showdown: The higher the value the less likely I am to call on the end.

Great point concerning CBT! I, literally, haven't really looked at my HUD in years. This is definitely a worthwhile stat and it is in my HUD now. Thx for pointing that out!

great stuff thanks JFT !

I've started playing around with this, so thanks for that! I watched the PT4 tutorial so that helped too. Just wondering how many hands you would think you would need against an opponent for this to start to be of any use. As I have only started playing online cash recently I have only around 15k hands and the regs that I have played most against only around 1k hands, and i would say that the info I am getting seems very limited. However, it is also possible I'm misusing the software and not getting a display of all the information....

Ah yeah that is limited. I have at least 4K on each but upto 8k on some. Even with that amount I have extrapolate a bit sometimes.

What I’d do in that case I’d see what the lowest suited connector, pp, off suite Broadway and ace players do whatever action your looking at and then use it to shape ranges around the % of that stat from separate positions.

So if V has raised first in from utg1 with 33 and his rfi % from there is 10% we might be able to assume this v values pp’s over suited connectors.


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