I thought check turn would be good b/c he has some draws that could bluff and I've got a pot size raise all in. I feel like folding the turn is pretty absurd even though his value I beat is pretty much AK (which he would usually 4B pre) and Kx diamonds. It's also possible he could be donk protecting AJ on the turn.


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Stacks:
UTG - UTG ($53.61)
BTN - BTN ($50.75)
SB - Hero ($53.21)
BB - BB ($55.90)

Preflop: ($0.75, 4 players) Hero is SB with A A
1 fold, BTN raises to $1.25, Hero raises to $4.00, 1 fold, BTN calls $2.75

Flop: 8 J 2 ($8.50, 2 players)
Hero bets $6.25, BTN calls $6.25

Turn: K ($21.00, 2 players)
Hero checks, BTN bets $11.00, Hero raises to $42.96 (all-in), BTN calls $29.50 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $2.46 returned to Hero

River: T ($102.00, 2 players, 1 all-in)

Total Pot: $102.00
BTN shows 2 2 (with Three Of Kind of 2s)
Hero shows A A (with One pair of As)

BTN wins $100.00 with Three Of Kind of 2s

I don't like the sizing on your flop bet. Yes there are some potential flush and straight draws out there but in a 3bet pot this number would be reduced. Your bet sizing probably narrows his calling range considerably.

Following on from that all the more reason not to check-shove the turn. What are you getting value from? You mention AK but that was probably scared off by your big flop bet. Shoving here is turning a hand with solid showdown value into a bad bluff.

Just my logic here, I'm no expert! I think you can bet/call or bet/fold the turn depending on the opponent and betsize. But I think either is better than checking the turn with the intention of X/Raising because you give V the opportunity to take a free card if he is drawing and when he does bet and you shove then I think a lot of hands that you beat are folding and those that are beating you are always calling, which is the opposite to what we want, no?

What size would you say is ideal here Brussels? 40-50% ?

I'd go $5

If you bet $5 on flop then turn pot is still $18. Let’s say you bet $10 into $18 on turn then you are folding to a $30 all in getting over 2 to 1?

I think the reason for check/shoving the turn is that you charge all draws the full amount and get them to fold or call right there on the turn. They can check back all missed diamonds and Q10/109 and unimproved Kx of diamonds on river. Unless you plan on jamming non diamond/K rivers?

I see the merit in just folding the turn right there but I think if you’re going to continue in the hand, check/shoving makes sense with what is in pot and what villain has behind

If you bet flop having already 3betted pre-flop and then bet turn and get shoved on your one-pair hand is highly unlikely to be good*. If the flush draws are going to raise it'll be on the flop rather than the turn.

*This is assuming you're up against a competent player btw since you didn't specify otherwise

How many draws do you think have reached the turn the way that hand has gone until that point?

I think check-folding and check-shoving are the worst of the 4 options you have available to you on the turn.

This is so marginal. I would continue betting on the turn, but if you decide to trap by checking, which can be fine on a very low frequency and also if you are exploiting, for sure you need to JAM once he bets.

I'M not sure what other people are saying but there seems to be alot of non-sense. You need to get your money in that board 100% of the time, find the way to make the most value, sorry he had 22 and be happy when he has KQ, K10, AK, etc... you guys aren't even deep.

Also KX and JX of diamond probably call that turn, Also AK of diamond that played a trappy weird spewy pre will call that turn. Also don't fold this, ever, ever ever ever, ever on this board on the turn. And don't fold OTR either.

I prefer bet, then check without the A of diamond OTR (trapping) and bet with the A of diamond OTR. On a diamond river bet again.

I would love to play against some one who thinks that AA is not good on this board facing this action.

"If the flush draws are going to raise it'll be on the flop rather than the turn."

There is so much wrong in this.

"How many draws do you think have reached the turn the way that hand has gone until that point?"

What?

"I think check-folding and check-shoving are the worst of the 4 options you have available to you on the turn."

Check folding and check calling are the worst two, check-shoving vs bet/calling is marginal -EV.

His bet size on the flop is indeed wrong but not for the reason you mentioned. This board rarely hits both of the players range generally (not about flush draws or w/e, just in general), so we do not have a particular range advantage vs villain and villain is uncapped. Generally on those boards we elect a smaller bet size, I would go ~40% here.

I don't understand how you can think AA is not value there. So many hands that he beats might shrug call him for how deep they are. JX diamond KX diamond are essentially almost comited if they put him exactly on AA and he can have various holding that JX and KX beat that he can take that line with.

From what I gather, the best general course of action is to bet the turn to charge draws and get value from a few worse hands. If we take that route we should mostly always be check calling smaller bets and folding to jams on the river as there shouldn’t be many bluffs in villains range. There is also merit to check/calling turn in tough spots in a sng or mtt and then check/folding river.