look forward to it

TBh 70 k isnt a huge samplesize but you can obv still take a shot. Just dont lose 20 Bi etc.

this was highly enlightening. for 3ptbb i had a 100k sample where i was down like 80bi and one where i was up 140bi. crazy.

people actually win at this game?

you'll need to find your standard deviation out of PT3/HEM to make it really useful, i believe it's default is a slightly high STD

But how much did you lose?

people always measure samples wrong imo though how do you determine the start and end of a sample? say you have 100k hands how many 50k samples are there 2? well it depends how you count it, 0-50k is a 50k sample but so is 1-50,001 etc etc but people will usually just pick like EXACTLY the 50k hands where they broke even and say look theres a 50k breakeven stretch, I had a maths guy explain it to me once before Ill see if hes around to dig it up it opened my eyes a little

yea their STD starts at 60. HEM has me at about 35 BB/100 standard dev. With that I refreshed it 100 times with a ptbb of 2 and I only ran in the negative 2 out of the 100 times. But yea the swings were anywhere 10 - 80 BIs usually

2.53 bb/100 over 336,000 hands at 25NL on Stars. MT ratio - 10.27. Respectable, yes/no? I feel like it should/could be double that but I'm not sure where other multitabling regs are.

WRT to the bolded part:

The thing you have to consider when playing live is the risk:reward. There is a tremendous difference between risk:reward in live v online. For instance:

To make $20/hr playing live you can play 200NL at the top-end of WR. Assuming you play with a 3BI stoploss, then you risk $600 to win $20. Now obviously you don't risk the full $600, but you get the drift.

To make $20/hr playing online you can play 50NL with a middle of the road WR (12 tables @ 52hands/hr/table, and RB included). For this you have say a 4BI stop loss, and then you risk $200 to win $20. Again, you dont' risk the full $200, but you get the idea.

Live, imo, should really be used more as a "profitable spend of time that is used for more than an hourly". For instance, I play live once or twice a month (during non-WSOP months) and do so mostly so I can make an hourly but also get some direct utility out of it (I enjoy the socialization coupled with +ev($) time spent). But playing 200NL live for an hourly is just the worst imo. 500NL live is the first level that I would consider playing seriously for a pure hourly, but even still, then you risk $1500 to win $35/hr...that sounds pretty horrible to me.

just my 2 cents

little or big bb? if little, there is def room for improvement. though you could probably retain the same WR at 50NL tbh, and thus moving up would be a good option for you

lmao

+1

How much in general is everyones winrate at 25NL compared to there winrate at 50NL? Can i expect my winrate to be cut in 1/2 at 50NL? My guess is my winrate at 25NL is around 3-4big bets/100 cant be sure due to comp issues but sample size is pretty large and 3BB/100 is on the low side I am guessing. This is also mass tabling for the most part as well.

my winrate is 1.47 BB over 56K hands at 50 NL while playing 6-8 tables. I know that isn't good, but is it terrible?, is it alright?, is it possible that I just haven't been running well?

imo, you can probably do like 60%-75% of your 25NL WR at 50NL with like no adjustment. and given the nearly doubling in fringe benefits, 50NL should stand to make you a higher hourly

too hard to tell about running well/bad, playing well/bad, etc.

1.5PT/100 is a fine WR for a grinder. Obviously I'd like to see you get it into the 2.25PT/100 range...but 1.5PT/100 is pretty alright

QFT

From a purely financial standpoint, you can make a living playing 1/2 @ ~$15/hour but you would really need to put in the hours every week/month to survive. I would never consider playing exclusively live for a living without 6 months living expenses + $10k bankroll for 2/5 but I might need a little more financial security than others who could scrounge it out at 1/2 for a while.

If you are just playing 1/2 recreationally to make a few extra dollars while mixing things up, I wouldn't stress too much over a win-rate with a small sample size. As Split mentioned before, it really takes months of playing to accrue a decent # of hands to be anywhere close to confident of a long-term winrate. Also, by the time you play enough hands live to know this #, game conditions may have changed, etc. making your "true" WR unknown...again.

I think 100k is a fair sample to determine your winrate at NL50.
In my DB, I've had 40k hand runs +/- 5bb from what I think is my wr at NL50.
So I think 100-120k hands should be a decent sample.

I don't agree with that. @NL25 metagame is almost non existent. Maybe things have changed now, but NL50 is where the majority of the 4bet bluffing and light 3betting starts, which can really screw your wr if you have bad leaks like calling a lot OOP.

I don't really understand this. I know lots of people who make less than $15/hour and get by. If I had to choose between $15/hour playing poker or $8/hour working at chick-fil-a, im choosing poker in a heart beat.

I decided to quit my job waiting tables in '08 because I planned on making $10/hour playing 25NL. Looking back, my decision seemed logical.

From my limited experience playing, but tons of sweating, at 25NL, I would say the two levels play fairly similarly. 25NL has a lot of aggressive restealing, bluff CR-ing, and increasing 4B%s from what I can tell. While I never would have made the statement I did 1yr ago, but the games (25NL and 50NL) are starting to blur together.

And while regs at 50NL are a pinch better, most are still unimaginative NITs and TAGs...the same at 25NL

My 25nl WR is 3x my 50NL WR. My 100NL WR is significantly higher than my 50NL WR

50NL is a stupid limit

I was at 3.5ptbb/100 20-24 tabling at 25nl, barely above 1ptbb/100 at 50NL, mostly 12-16 tabling.

3betting more lightly maybe, but I bet I can count on one hand regs who legit 4b bluff with any frequency.

True, you bring up some good points. I guess personally if I was going to play full-time (as a career) I would want to be playing at least 2/5 with the intention of moving to 5/10 ASAP for some security and a progression to be the best at what I do, etc.

And I'm not degrading $15/hour at all, I've made well less than that for most of my life, being able to grind 50NL+ part-time for more than that is a huge luxury most people don't have.

I guess all I was saying is don't stress about live win-rates if you aren't playing full-time (because of small sample sizes) and if you are playing 1/2 live full-time it might make sense to find another job to supplement your bankroll.

haha i too would like to see it increase, which is why i joined 2+2