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KK vs UTG open + LJ raise KK vs UTG open + LJ raise

06-11-2018 , 09:07 PM
The title basically says it. NL10, no reads on opponents, I probably have a decent TAG/LAG image. UTG opens to 3.5BB, LJ 3bets about full pot, I'm on the BTN with KK.

I'm not sure what to do here. I perceive UTG as pretty strong, maybe AJ+/88+. I perceive LJ as really strong by raising a strong UTG, maybe AK/QQ+. If I raise, I should be perceived as really, really strong. So is AK or QQ even calling? If not, I'm just getting money in bad.

But if I flat, how am I going to make money postflop? Ax is probably only putting more money in with an ace or better, which doesn't help me. Perhaps there's some to be made from QQ and lower when they flop an overpair.

Or... is this somehow a fold? I ended up raising, getting it all in vs AA and losing, so I can't help but ask the question. Perhaps LJ just isn't raising with anything worse.
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06-12-2018 , 03:55 AM
Folding is silly. Take a step back and ask yourself, why would you do that ? If you think that one of the villains always have AA, then you probably have the "monsters under the bed syndrome". But you have no reads, right ?

My default option here would be to cold 4bet (around 2,3-2,5x LJ's bet):
- I'm forcing the opponents to put more money in the middle when I'm most likely ahead.
- Some flops could simply kill the action (e.g: ace or king high flops when he holds QQ/JJ/TT, or baby boards when he holds AK).
- It makes the hand way easier to play. No more headache if a wet flop comes.
- You give UTG pretty bad odds to setmine, assuming pocket pairs are a big part of his range.
- You are building an aggressive image, which makes you harder to play against. They will make more mistakes for more money.
- Cold calling a 3bet when you're not the original raiser looks extremely suspicious. Basically, your percieved range is not wider when you do this than when you cold 4bet.

And here are some reasons to flat:
- If LJ is a super nit (the 5/3/1 stats player), yes, he probably have aces. You can this way setmine confortably and stack him if you hit.
- If UTG is a super aggro player, and you think he could shove worse hands against your flat call.

I know 10NL is super nitty, but you should take advantage of this by being more aggressive against the right players (those who can fold). If you notice they fold a huge part of their ranges in those cold4bet situations, you could start incorporating some bluffs (don't take me wrong, you should do this for value the most of the time, but just balance your ranges). If they can use an history, you will see them 5bet shoving with middle strenght hands like medium pairs.

And last hint: don't 4bet/fold KK if one of them shoves.
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06-13-2018 , 05:25 AM
Assuming we're 100bbs+ deep, this looks like a call on the button. The downside of this is that UTG is priced in to call fairly wide and we're often going 3 ways to the flop; and we may still get stacked by aces on a lot of flops. I just don't think tight players are stacking AK & QQ pre outside of blind battles, especially to a cold 4bet.
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06-13-2018 , 08:09 PM
I'd 4bet and fold to a shove. QQ and AK can flat you here with you in position, or they can fold and you can pick up a decent chunk of dead money. Flops come A-high 25% of the time, but you can easily bet the other 75% of flops to make AK/AQ pay for draws, You'll hit a flush some of the time, but betting pot on flop and turn gets all the money in and gives flush draws the wrong odds to call.
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06-15-2018 , 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by adamzerner
The title basically says it. NL10, no reads on opponents, I probably have a decent TAG/LAG image. UTG opens to 3.5BB, LJ 3bets about full pot, I'm on the BTN with KK.

I'm not sure what to do here. I perceive UTG as pretty strong, maybe AJ+/88+. I perceive LJ as really strong by raising a strong UTG, maybe AK/QQ+. If I raise, I should be perceived as really, really strong. So is AK or QQ even calling? If not, I'm just getting money in bad.

But if I flat, how am I going to make money postflop? Ax is probably only putting more money in with an ace or better, which doesn't help me. Perhaps there's some to be made from QQ and lower when they flop an overpair.

Or... is this somehow a fold? I ended up raising, getting it all in vs AA and losing, so I can't help but ask the question. Perhaps LJ just isn't raising with anything worse.
You obviously can't fold.
I like flatting or 4betting.
Flatting does get you money postflop from cbets from AK, Maybe he flops a BDFD, etc. Also ofcourse all the overpairs (JJ-QQ).
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