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Old 05-16-2020, 06:33 AM   #1
rob2704
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KJs MP - when should I have folded?

Having looked over this hand afterwards, I think I probably should have folded to the turn bet but any comments welcomed. I'd only seen villain play 3 hands.

PokerStars - $0.05 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

UTG+1: 78.6 BB
MP: 68 BB
Hero (MP+1): 100 BB
MP+2: 220.8 BB
CO: 148.8 BB
BTN: 149.2 BB
SB: 105.6 BB
BB: 132.4 BB
UTG: 191.2 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.4 BB) Hero has K J

fold, fold, fold, Hero raises to 4 BB, MP+2 calls 4 BB, fold, fold, fold, fold

Flop: (9.4 BB, 2 players) J 7 Q
Hero bets 4.6 BB, MP+2 raises to 20 BB, Hero calls 15.4 BB

Turn: (49.4 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, MP+2 bets 25 BB, Hero calls 25 BB

River: (99.4 BB, 2 players) 5
Hero checks, MP+2 checks

Hero shows K J (Two Pair, Jacks and Fives)
(Pre 41%, Flop 52%, Turn 32%)
MP+2 shows A Q (Two Pair, Queens and Fives)
(Pre 59%, Flop 48%, Turn 68%)
MP+2 wins 95.2 BB
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Old 05-16-2020, 11:14 AM   #2
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Re: KJs MP - when should I have folded?

No need to show results.
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Old 05-17-2020, 08:05 AM   #3
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Re: KJs MP - when should I have folded?

Check call flop. Turn is fine.
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Old 05-20-2020, 05:52 AM   #4
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Re: KJs MP - when should I have folded?

This seems fine to me, he shouldn't have that many sets, some QJ and AQ in there but there are loads of draws (Ax of hearts, other flush draws, T9s, KTs). I play the hand the same way
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Old 05-20-2020, 12:43 PM   #5
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Re: KJs MP - when should I have folded?

I like x/r'ing the turn.

I think as played, you're most likely behind and probably aren't going to get paid on that much when the flush comes.

x/r'ing turn puts huge pressure on villain's range and we still have decent equity versus his range if called.
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Old 05-20-2020, 06:26 PM   #6
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Re: KJs MP - when should I have folded?

I don't like playing suited one gapper from this position. Especially KJ. Many players behind will call you with KQ and AJ.
But how many outs could we safely consider here? I'd consider 10 because there are 4 combinations of sets (I don't believe the villain would just call with QQ) and 9 of AQ and 9 KQ. So, you are 1 to 3. I didn't put 14 because KQ or 77 you'd have fewer outs. So, you're 1 to 4 ott. But we are oop! You'd ought to bet half pot otr if you do hit your out. If I had hit a heart which doesn't pair the board, I'd have bet pot!
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Old 05-20-2020, 06:56 PM   #7
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Re: KJs MP - when should I have folded?

I try and get it in on the flop. You've got a really strong hand. You've got possibilities for a flush, two pair, trips, and even an outside shot at a straight. As you can see, you're actually winning on the flop.
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Old 05-23-2020, 02:09 AM   #8
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Re: KJs MP - when should I have folded?

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I try and get it in on the flop. You've got a really strong hand. You've got possibilities for a flush, two pair, trips, and even an outside shot at a straight. As you can see, you're actually winning on the flop.
But mate, you're considering just our hand but not the villain's range! With a heavy flop, there's a strong possibility of set here! In this case just a which doesn't pair the board is good!
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Old 05-23-2020, 01:27 PM   #9
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Re: KJs MP - when should I have folded?

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I try and get it in on the flop. You've got a really strong hand. You've got possibilities for a flush, two pair, trips, and even an outside shot at a straight. As you can see, you're actually winning on the flop.
yeah agree, get it in on the flop, whats the point of playing these types of hands here otherwise.

i don't like playing these cards in this position pf.
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