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Originally Posted by moxterite
But Rob how many times have you actually been all-in PF with KK in 10k hands? I'm a rec player with a modest 40k hands in the database (mixture of 2, 5, 10nl) and I've only got the money in eight times (FWIW, the hands who put the money in against me were 2xAA, 1xQQ, 1xJJ, 1x66, 2xAK, 1xQJ) and that's with VPIP/PFR/3bet of 100/98/93 with KK and I will quite happily stack off in pretty much any given situation.
According to my statistics:
Number of times dealt King King: 65
Number of all ins: 15
Number of all ins pre flop: 6
Winnings BB out of those 6: -236
Winnings BB from all in on the flop: -136
Winnings BB from all in on the turn: +34
So the losses going all in pre flop account for a third of the total losses when dealt King King.
I mean I'm not saying or arguing the point that kings should be folded pre flop, I was more interested to see how others thought.
Losing 2/3 after the flop raises others matters, and to be honest I didn't realise so much of that loss with the kings was due to post flop play until I've looked at these stats lol but my win rate has always been negative, and has steadily increased in the past month due to me actually studying the game and wanting to improve. I used to suck... well, a lot more than what I do now.
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