50 NL $0.25/$0.50 5 players

Hero SB 86o $49.50
BB $7.47
UTG $61.38
CO $65.65
Villain Btn $32.58

Notes on Villains: 2 hands in. I was watching this table for a bit before I sat in. Btn was a loose caller, I figured he might call my 3B with weak holdings. CO was aggressive and I didn't believe CO carried a supreme hand with a $2.25 raise with post dead chip PF

Preflop

UTG Posts Dead Chip $0.75
CO Raises to $2.25
Btn Villain Calls $2.25
SB Hero Raises to $10
BB folds
UTG folds, CO folds, Btn Villain Calls $7.75

Flop ($23.00) Kd 4d 7c

Lucky for me flop was dry and a bluff could work. I led out with a 1/2 Pot bet of $12


With a flop like Kd 4d 7c my bet could represent AA, AK, QQ, JJ which is what I was going for. My opponent on the other hand had a wide range which I figured out watching the table. Highly unlikely my opponent had a K

Did I make a mistake of making Btn pot committed on the flop because I knew there was a possibility of him calling my re-raise PF?

Would love to know your thoughts on this hand

Honestly didn't look at postflop action. Just fold pre. 86o oop doesn't seem like a sound strat. You should never be in this position again so postflop advice isn't needed.

Thank you .isolated

Is 3B Bluffing not a sound strat against two players I thought may have folded preflop though by the way their playing? The dry flop was lucky for me, however I was thinking more of my opponents than my hand in this spot.

As a new player at the table, my table image was also not established. A raise in the SB could have represented a big hand for me which was my intention as well.

you usually want to squeeze a linear range. In a hu pot from the sb you will have some connectors to 3bet but id stick to suited ones. This hands just a fold pre.

Thank you Feng Shui. Is there an optimal range of suited connectors and high cards that are good for squeezing? Does it depend on circumstance? Wouldn't you want to add unplayable cards to your range of bluff/squeeze hands?

I know you're not asking me so I hope you don't mind but...

No, you don't want to do that. You're going to be oop for the hand. You want hands that can flop decent equity. 86o rarely flops decent equity vs. the top whatever % your villains are calling. Even IP, you want hands that can flop equity so you can double/triple barrel. The great thing about suited hands is that they hit rainbow flops where we have a bdfd because we can fire once knowing that we have at least 10 cards that we can double barrel ott and that's not to mention our pair outs or sd outs depending on our actual hand.

I'd classify this specific hand as more of a 3-bet than a squeeze since there's nobody in between the pfr and you so...3-bet your normal value hands (AK, AQ, JJ, etc...) and the bluff hands are semibluff hands instead of pure bluffs with hands like 78s, JTs, ATs, etc.. Things that can flop decent equity and double/triple quite a bit.

I'm leaving lots out of both scenarios but those are just a couple of arguments to not 3-bet pure bluffs and what hands to 3-bet and why.

Id use high equity hands that don't play great multi way for squeezing. They have blockers so good fold equity and play well enough in pots with a lower spr. Suited connectors are going to play better as calls when it becomes multi way. Unplayable junk just hits the muck. So for squeezing hands id use my value then hands like AT AJ AQ KJ KQ QJ , possibly i might call sometimes with some suited combos of those but not calling with the off suits ever so i squeeze them.

Btn called the c/o iso.

I blame the red color for thinking it was a raise! Damnit!

Still, the same applies but you shouldn't 3-bet as many semibluff hands because you're less likely to get folds, you're going to be oop, and the spr is worse postflop.

You know he'll call loose, and you bluff anyway... So you WANT to play an OOP post with 86o against a fish with a SPR of 1?

His weak holdings are still crushing 86o.
And if you think you can 'outplay' him postflop, it's tough to outplay someone with a SPR of 1. If he has a pair he's probably not folding.

Not one of the best hands for a light 3 bet. I also don't know why you felt you should make this play in this spot. You'v even noted btn villain is on the loose side he can flat the 3 bet wide. Sometimes the bb is calling or 4 betting and you'r going to have 8 high oop in a 3bet pot 2 out of every 3 times you make this play and then you want to lead into your opponent. Why do you think it's highly unlikely your opponent has a king. I'd say it's entirely possible. Fancy play syndrome imo.

As a side not in relation to this; 'With a flop like Kd 4d 7c my bet could represent AA, AK, QQ, JJ which is what I was going for'. These hands are in most player's 3bet range. The texture of the flop is neither here nor there in terms of repping them. Once you 3bet any semi competent opponent will recognize these hands are part of your range.

fold pre

3betting with a hand that has no playability + OOP is just burning money

Very much appreciated .isolated. I do not mind you answering that question at all. You seem to know your stuff quite well You clear up a lot of questions I had with regards to 3bets and ranges I had in my mind previously and it makes perfect sense why I shouldn't play those near unplayable hands.

embig, SharkytheFish, Mrs. SilenceDogood. Thank you for the replies.

Indeed, I had known villain was a loose caller why the hell would I raise with 86o. I felt like I had a read that he might fold this one. However I was obviously wrong. Sometimes I do strange things that don't make any sense. I learned my lesson with this one.