Yatahay Network - $0.02 NL - Holdem - 9 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 100 BB
UTG: 112.5 BB
UTG+1: 249.5 BB
MP: 180.5 BB
Hero (MP+1): 95.5 BB
MP+2: 155.5 BB
CO: 86.5 BB
BTN: 136 BB
SB: 100 BB

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has 8 8

fold, fold, MP raises to 4.5 BB, Hero calls 4.5 BB, fold, fold, BTN calls 4.5 BB, fold, BB calls 3.5 BB

Flop: (18.5 BB, 4 players) 9 J 7
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets 9 BB, BTN raises to 18 BB, fold, MP calls 18 BB, Hero calls 9 BB

Turn: (72.5 BB, 3 players) 5
MP checks, Hero bets 73 BB and is all-in, fold, fold

Hero wins 69 BB

After the flop, I have 2 8's and 4 10's for 6 outs
Plus, runner runner flush draw.
So, I bet 50%

After turn, I now have 4 6's as outs.
Plus, still the 2 8's and 4 10's
for 10 outs
So, I bet 50%

Played ok?

Check/fold the flop. The flop bet can't possibly be good with 2 over cards on that drawy flop (with hero holding the low end of a gutshot draw) in a 4 way pot.

As played, check/fold the turn. The flop was check/raised and a 3rd player cold called the bet and the raise. I wouldn't expect this bet to get folds nearly enough to be profitable.

To answer your question, you possibly have as many as 10 outs against a better hand. However, they might not really be outs.

- Someone could possibly already have a straight.
- An 8 makes you three 8's, but also means that anyone who has just a 6 or just a T has a straight.
- A T makes you a straight 7 - J, but Q8 or KQ would have a higher straight.
- A T or 6 of clubs or diamonds could make someone else a flush. I think someone would be more likely to have a club flush than a diamond flush, so I think a club coming is worse for you than a diamond, but both could make someone a flush.

I think the best river card for you would the 6h or 6s (6d would be pretty good too). I would be pretty confident with your hand if any of those were the river. But any of the other cards that improve you to a better hand have a good chance of improving someone else to an even better hand.

And if an 8, T or 6 does improve you to the best hand, it'll be hard to extract money from the other players because the board will be so dangerous. There will be 4 to a straight on the board. Of course, as you played it, that would matter because you're already all-in on the turn, so there will be no river play.


In short, I'd check/fold the flop here.

I don't see how the flop was check/raised.

Yep, it was just raised; not check/raised. I mistakenly said check/raised.

Check fold the flop, I don't like the donk and hate the call. Check fold the turn as it's multiway and both players could have hands they are not going to fold and a lot of your outs might not be outs.

In general it's a pretty aggressive style, is that optimal for nl2?

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- check the flop
- fold the flop to bet with multiple people to act behind

/I don't understand how flop call and turn jam are justified. my head es'pload
/not a pro