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how do you deal with this KK how do you deal with this KK

10-21-2020 , 10:42 AM
GG Poker - $0.02 NL FAST (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

ee8ec798 (BTN): 120 BB
48acf46a (SB): 121.5 BB
Hero (BB): 160.5 BB
74cdd3d0 (UTG): 101.5 BB
5075af1c (MP): 167.5 BB
75c1287b (CO): 100 BB

48acf46a posts SB 0.5 BB, Hero posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has K K

fold, fold, fold, ee8ec798 raises to 2.5 BB, fold, Hero raises to 12 BB, ee8ec798 calls 9.5 BB

Flop: (24.5 BB, 2 players) A 6 Q
Hero bets 12.5 BB, ee8ec798 calls 12.5 BB

Turn: (49.5 BB, 2 players) 3
Hero bets 25 BB, ee8ec798 raises to 95.5 BB and is all-in, fold

ee8ec798 wins 99.5 BB
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10-21-2020 , 02:00 PM
Hello,

Did you have any history with that player on the Button?
Betting/Raising Kings PF/Flop is legit.
What did you suppose to achieve with that turn bet?
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10-22-2020 , 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by SlamDonk
Hello,

Did you have any history with that player on the Button?
Betting/Raising Kings PF/Flop is legit.
What did you suppose to achieve with that turn bet?
No I play the zoom nl2 and can't use the hud in GG.So I think him as the standard image.
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10-22-2020 , 01:35 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dazaiwu
No I play the zoom nl2 and can't use the hud in GG.So I think him as the standard image.
Ok.

I think without having seen any hand with the other player, i am no GTO expert to tell you what to do here.
There are some questions:

- Why does villain call the flop?
- Is he holding A or Q or both or a PP?
- Would he call with KJ?

I think this really is a tough spot, but I somehow do not like your turn-bet. If he called on the flop, will he fold now? does the 3 scare him into a fold?

I am really just asking questions, to which I do not know the answer.
Maybe some more advanced player can clear us up, so we both can learn from this.

Cheers,

SlamDonk
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10-23-2020 , 09:33 AM
Why do you bet the flop AND the turn? He called a 3bet. What do you expect him to have when you bet? Just think about what you achieve when you bet the flop: You're not going to fold him his Aces, because he called a 3Bet and is likely to have Ax. So, when you bet and let's say he has TT or JJ or KQ he will most of the time fold to your cbet. You don't want him to fold these hands. It is best to check and then call, if he bets. Then evaluate on the turn. if he bets again you MIGHT call, but most of the time you should fold. Even if you know he is capable of bluffing you will loose waaay to often.

If you check flop and he checks back you can bet small or check to the river and hope he tries to bluff a weaker hand you can call down with your KK as a bluff catcher.
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10-23-2020 , 11:05 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SlamDonk
Ok.

I think without having seen any hand with the other player, i am no GTO expert to tell you what to do here.
There are some questions:

- Why does villain call the flop?
- Is he holding A or Q or both or a PP?
- Would he call with KJ?

I think this really is a tough spot, but I somehow do not like your turn-bet. If he called on the flop, will he fold now? does the 3 scare him into a fold?

I am really just asking questions, to which I do not know the answer.
Maybe some more advanced player can clear us up, so we both can learn from this.

Cheers,

SlamDonk
Thanks man! When he is all in ,I thought he is QQ ,AQ or half bluffing(KJ). We need find out the answer forever.
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10-23-2020 , 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by fairyace
Why do you bet the flop AND the turn? He called a 3bet. What do you expect him to have when you bet? Just think about what you achieve when you bet the flop: You're not going to fold him his Aces, because he called a 3Bet and is likely to have Ax. So, when you bet and let's say he has TT or JJ or KQ he will most of the time fold to your cbet. You don't want him to fold these hands. It is best to check and then call, if he bets. Then evaluate on the turn. if he bets again you MIGHT call, but most of the time you should fold. Even if you know he is capable of bluffing you will loose waaay to often.

If you check flop and he checks back you can bet small or check to the river and hope he tries to bluff a weaker hand you can call down with your KK as a bluff catcher.
Thanks! From your reply I learns many things!May me I like attack or bluffing,I bet flop and turn to make him fold the Ax(7-J unless the AQ AK ) and TT 99 etc.I need balance my bet not bet too many!
GOOD luck!
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10-30-2020 , 07:45 AM
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Originally Posted by dazaiwu
Thanks! From your reply I learns many things!May me I like attack or bluffing,I bet flop and turn to make him fold the Ax(7-J unless the AQ AK ) and TT 99 etc.I need balance my bet not bet too many!
GOOD luck!
You want TT and 99 to call, not fold. Think about why you are betting. You seem to be taking a medium strength hand and turning it into a bluff. KK has plenty of showdown value, but you're right in saying that worse hands like TT and 99 will fold. Just keep the pot small. There aren't many draws which will be bluff-raising either. Also, your bet sizing is a little large.
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11-27-2020 , 09:26 PM
idk at 2nl i would say on the turn you're finished.
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