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Fold a flush? Fold a flush?

12-09-2018 , 07:39 PM
NL2 online, WSOP in Las Vegas
Hero Th7h in the SB

Preflop
CO and BTN limp, I call, BB checks.

I guess I could have raised over the limpers, because limping from the CO and BTN is especially weak, but I was trying to follow a strategy of keeping things tight preflop and if I'm bluffing with T7s it means I'm going to be bluffing a lot. Plus, this game was pretty loose and I was trying to follow a strategy of keeping the bluffing to a minimum, but perhaps this situation was worth bluffing, I'm not sure.

Flop ($0.08)
JhTs3h
Check, $0.04 bet, call, call, call

This could be an interesting spot to bluff big. With a pair + flush draw, I should have 14 clean outs, which means a ton of equity if I'm called by something like top pair. Even if I'm called by a set, I've got the 9 outs to a flush draw. But I am out of position against three loose opponents with a board that is easy to hit.

As for calling versus folding, I do have great pot odds and lots of outs, but I'm actually not sure what turn cards are good for me. With all of those other callers, someone else probably has a flush draw, so if a heart comes, I feel like there's actually a good chance I'm beat, and there's reverse implied odds. If a seven comes that should be pretty good, although I do have to be careful against a possible straight.

Turn ($0.24)
(JhTs3h)-Ah
Check, $0.18 bet, fold, fold, call

I hit my flush, and the Ah is good because blocks the possible ace high flushes, meaning Villain doesn't have as many flushes, but how happy am I really when I'm bet at? I really don't think Villain is betting sets, two pairs, or top pairs for value here at NL2. I think they'd look to get to showdown with those. And versus most flushes, I'm beat.

River ($0.60)
(JhTs3hAh)-Qd
Check, $0.45, fold

Similar to my comments on the turn, I really don't think Villain is betting stuff like sets, two pairs and top pairs for value here. And any bluffs Villain would have had made a flush. I guess Villain could have something like 9h8h, but I think I'm beat the large majority of the time. But maybe I just shouldn't be overthinking things and folding flushes.
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12-10-2018 , 03:44 AM
I probably fold pre
Flop call is fine
Turn I also call. I would think overvaluing two pairs, sets, and maybe even worse is not as unlikely here as you say
I call river for same reason as above. We need to be good 30% of the time. There are better flushes out there, but how many take this line? I think we can remove most Kxhh and Qxhh that didn’t pair the flop, because it’s unlikely they would lead the flop multi-way with a naked FD without knowing where the Ah is. Although it was a 2bb lead into a limped pot so anything is possible...
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12-10-2018 , 12:12 PM
I donk turn for value and to deny Kh/Qh equity
your opp are all fish, you're better off bet/folding than you are slowplaying
bet river ap, you don't want him to c/ Kx and 2p
don't fold after you x
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12-12-2018 , 08:03 PM
Raise turn get it in river pretty standard
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12-12-2018 , 08:06 PM
A few points:

1. If you check when you hit your flush on a non-paired board and are unhappy at being bet into, why are you involved in the hand in the first place?
2. He has 12 combinations of KQ alone, not to mention a load more Kx straights (12 combinations of KJ although most likely only bets like this with Kh). How many flushes can he have? KJ, K9, QJ, Q9, J9 beat you; 98, 86, 65, 54 lose to you. He's much more likely to have a straight.
3. You check turn and river and hope not to see a bet - do you really just hope to check the hand down when you hit a flush? And do you really honestly believe that people are not betting sets and 2 pair for value? You've shown no aggression whatsoever at any point, so he's entitled just to bet for value
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12-12-2018 , 09:26 PM
You guys really think Villain is betting in to three opponents with anything worse than a flush? I get that there are a lot of combos of straights and sets and stuff, but I just feel kinda skeptical that they'd be playing those hands aggressively, especially multiway. My impression is that they'd look to check-call and get to showdown. I don't mean to ask a question and then challenge the answers I get though, just thinking about it and wanting to be clear.
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12-19-2018 , 09:51 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by K40cheddar
Raise turn get it in river pretty standard


+1

People overvalue draws and top pair way too much at nl2. Most would probably call an all in on the turn with 1 heart on their hand lol specially if they were drawing for a straight or had a pair too.

Why would you call your 10 7 suited then be unsure when you do hit your flush? It's never good going into the hand without a plan


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12-26-2018 , 10:17 PM
I would be X/R that flop. I believe i can get better hands to fold.
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