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10-08-2019 , 08:47 AM
Not quite sure how to paste my hands in here yet. However I think I can keep it pretty simple. I've already done my own analyzing, I wanna know what you guys think. Im pretty new to this. No need to go easy on me I wanna get good at this.

Hero holds AsKh in the co. Both players in the hand hold around 100 big blinds.

Villain is utg+1 and raises to .75. Hero three bets to 2.25 from the co. Villain flats.

Flop comes 58J of spades. Villain checks. Hero bets 3.46. Villain Folds.

I don't know.
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10-08-2019 , 08:48 AM
Stakes are .10/.25 my bad.
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10-12-2019 , 01:20 PM
You block AA, KK and flushes (most spades he's 3betting have an Ace in them). You may be good here and have a draw to the nuts (as well as two overcards if he has QQ, say). I definitely call this.
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10-12-2019 , 03:28 PM
Welcome if youre new here. Highly recommend a tracker like PT4 or Holdem Manager if you care about improving or your poker results. You can copy paste your hand history from there in a good format

Isnt much to say about the hand here, fine 3bet preflop
On the flop in position with a range advantage you can cbet wide so thats a fine bet but Im betting smaller 1/3 pot here because the population will have difficulty defending properly against this size and I think 1/3 pot gets you just as many folds as a 2/3 pot sized bet here so ur risking less

Bet sizing is the hardest part about this hand also one of the hardest things in poker but there isnt much to talk about here besides that

Whats your reasoning for using this bet size?



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10-13-2019 , 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by GodforsakenDwan
Welcome if youre new here. Highly recommend a tracker like PT4 or Holdem Manager if you care about improving or your poker results. You can copy paste your hand history from there in a good format

Isnt much to say about the hand here, fine 3bet preflop
On the flop in position with a range advantage you can cbet wide so thats a fine bet but Im betting smaller 1/3 pot here because the population will have difficulty defending properly against this size and I think 1/3 pot gets you just as many folds as a 2/3 pot sized bet here so ur risking less

Bet sizing is the hardest part about this hand also one of the hardest things in poker but there isnt much to talk about here besides that

Whats your reasoning for using this bet size?
I've purchased pokertracker4 and have around 800 cash game hands and 25 tournaments so far, only had it for a couple weeks. Looking forward to analyzing the info once I have enough. What do you think is a good sample size to start trusting the data a little bit?

As far as the bet size, I honestly cant remember why exactly. I think it was something along the lines of thinking he likely missed with an ace or a king as I did.. given that he was utg+1. I thought he might call with overcards, thinking I was bluffing or had one spade. I think with two overcards and a nut flush draw I was thinking semibluff that could improve to a good hand or possibly a great one. Maybe that's why I went three fourths, so that it was large enough to get em off their hand, but also cool if I improved. However I remember feeling like I missed out on value when he folded. However after thinking about it and reading everyones comments, maybe I wasn't in as good of a spot as I thought and the fold is plenty acceptable. This isn't necessarily my thought process on the bet size now, but I think that was my ballpark thoughts at the time. Sorry if this is hard to follow. Still new to talking about hands and strategy/thought process.

Thanks for all your help im very thankful for this forum.
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10-13-2019 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 57912

As far as the bet size, I honestly cant remember why exactly. I think it was something along the lines of thinking he likely missed with an ace or a king as I did.. given that he was utg+1. I thought he might call with overcards, thinking I was bluffing or had one spade. I think with two overcards and a nut flush draw I was thinking semibluff that could improve to a good hand or possibly a great one. Maybe that's why I went three fourths, so that it was large enough to get em off their hand, but also cool if I improved. However I remember feeling like I missed out on value when he folded. However after thinking about it and reading everyones comments, maybe I wasn't in as good of a spot as I thought and the fold is plenty acceptable. This isn't necessarily my thought process on the bet size now, but I think that was my ballpark thoughts at the time. Sorry if this is hard to follow. Still new to talking about hands and strategy/thought process.

Thanks for all your help im very thankful for this forum.
My explanation was a little confusing. Basically, I chose three fourths cause I was semi bluffing. Three fourths would get em off possibly cause its largeish, but also could improve to top pair top kicker or the nuts so three fourths could also be goodif he called and I hit. I had him on a hand like Ax or Kx that missed.
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10-13-2019 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by GodforsakenDwan

Whats your reasoning for using this bet size?
Sounds like youre saying that a smaller bet could save me money if he calls and I miss, while also having a similar chance of getting him off his hand as I did with the bigger bet. Therefore the smaller bet would be better. I'll certainly look into this sounds like it makes sense thanks for the advice.
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10-13-2019 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by moxterite
You block AA, KK and flushes (most spades he's 3betting have an Ace in them). You may be good here and have a draw to the nuts (as well as two overcards if he has QQ, say). I definitely call this.

Hey On the flop villain checked to me, I bet, then villain folds. Are you saying you would have called as the villain or do you have this one backwards? lol. I didn't have a call option besides pre flop. Thanks for the advice though and let me know what you think.
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10-13-2019 , 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by 57912
Sounds like youre saying that a smaller bet could save me money if he calls and I miss, while also having a similar chance of getting him off his hand as I did with the bigger bet. Therefore the smaller bet would be better. I'll certainly look into this sounds like it makes sense thanks for the advice.

What hands do you think he will call a 3! With pre then call a 1/3 pot bet on this flop but would fold to a 3/4 pot bet?

Also what is our equity against those hands and how likely are they able to call bigger bets on later streets?
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10-15-2019 , 10:46 PM
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Originally Posted by 57912
or do you have this one backwards?
Haha this, I think
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10-16-2019 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by moxterite
Haha this, I think

Hahaha alright. I can still apply your advice to the situation if villain bet first. After running the numbers I had somewhere around 61% equity, which if im not mistaking is is a shitload heads up. Thanks again.
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10-16-2019 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
What hands do you think he will call a 3! With pre then call a 1/3 pot bet on this flop but would fold to a 3/4 pot bet?

Also what is our equity against those hands and how likely are they able to call bigger bets on later streets?
I asked myself these questions and opened equilab. It opened my eyes to how beneficial this in depth thinking will be. Also, I eventually ran into a road block because im not sure how to choose combos with one particular suit in them on the software. When I started going through and thinking which hands would fold to the 1/3 bet, I realized that a lot of them were dependent on whether or not there was a spade involved. I figured out how to put a suited combo, but not just one suit.. if its even possible. However a lot of flops wont be so affected by the one suit combos I think, so I can still analyze these types of hands in the meantime. Thanks for your comment, was one of those times when **** finally clicks you know. As far as how to get better and what it is exactly that I should be doing.
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10-22-2019 , 02:07 PM
3bet pre seems a bit small depending on your range
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10-23-2019 , 02:26 AM
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Originally Posted by hyperknit
3bet pre seems a bit small depending on your range
Three bet range from co vs. utg+1 is probably pretty tight. Not sure if that's correct or not but something like AA KK and AK. Maybe Aqs but Id probably just flat. Do you think I should be three betting more? Also what size do you think would be better and how come? Thanks for the response.
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10-23-2019 , 07:32 AM
So I think he meant sizing was a little small. And I agree. I'd make it probably 2.5 to $3. his range is stronger as utg1 and therefore your 3! Range is narrowed giving you an incentive to size up.
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10-24-2019 , 02:36 AM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
So I think he meant sizing was a little small. And I agree. I'd make it probably 2.5 to $3. his range is stronger as utg1 and therefore your 3! Range is narrowed giving you an incentive to size up.
cool cool thanks for the tip. are you basically saying that im missing out on some value with ak by not raising higher? if so i'll keep that in mind.
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10-24-2019 , 07:24 AM
So why do you 3! AK pre?

I think if you can answer that it might help you understand 3! Sizing better.

Hint it's not a one sentence answer.

Do you want action? If so why, if not are you bluffing? These are some good questions to start with.
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11-10-2019 , 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by El Barbero
So why do you 3! AK pre?

I think if you can answer that it might help you understand 3! Sizing better.

Hint it's not a one sentence answer.

Do you want action? If so why, if not are you bluffing? These are some good questions to start with.

I suppose to get value short handed, because I believe ako is not a great hand to play multiway.. but is pretty strong against utg+1 open range. If that's the case betting larger would certainly make sense.. to isolate down to a player or two, while also creating a large pot with a strong hand? so maybe that's it. Im just taking a guess here lol I feel like im about to get trolled hahaha.
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