PokerStars - $0.05 Ante $0.01 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 6 players

SB: 104.2 BB (VPIP: 21.09, PFR: 16.02, 3Bet Preflop: 7.48, Hands: 1,367)
BB: 123.2 BB (VPIP: 20.00, PFR: 13.33, 3Bet Preflop: 3.33, Hands: 231)
UTG: 136 BB (VPIP: 20.47, PFR: 15.81, 3Bet Preflop: 7.53, Hands: 219)
MP: 96 BB (VPIP: 25.00, PFR: 15.59, 3Bet Preflop: 8.14, Hands: 678)
CO: 72 BB (VPIP: 34.38, PFR: 18.75, 3Bet Preflop: 0.00, Hands: 34)
Hero (BTN): 209.6 BB

SB posts SB 0.4 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB, 6 players post ante of 0.2 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 2.6 BB) Hero has T T

UTG raises to 3 BB, fold, fold, Hero calls 3 BB, fold, fold

Flop: (8.6 BB, 2 players) 3 Q K
UTG checks, Hero checks

Turn: (8.6 BB, 2 players) 2
UTG checks, Hero checks

River: (8.6 BB, 2 players) T
UTG bets 6.2 BB, Hero raises to 24.4 BB, UTG raises to 61 BB, fold,

I would have bet the turn after villain checks again, but as played I would have called the river rather than raising. After you raise, villain is only re-raising with hands that have you crushed, and folding most other hands.

That's my opinion anyway, but would be interested on hearing others' thoughts!

3-betting pre makes this hand a lot easier to play.

I think flat pre is fine vs UTG open. Intuitively id raise river too but looking now im wondering if it might not be a call. I think the only hand we're targeting for value will be QTs exactly or maybe at a push ATs? But we're beaten by AJ and J9s if V opens those.

I dunno, maybe im underrstimating villains' bluffcatching in these spots

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3bet pre As played call otr he don't pay you with nothing only Q10s some timeS prop he bet ott with Q10s and nothing else AP otr I call vs overaggressive guy this spot can be 3bet air vs your line vs unknown or reg stats prop fold..

River play looks good

Going to attempt an analysis: please chime in with critiques! Still in the learning phase...


Happy with this, I find the 3x a little weak as there are antes meaning V is really only betting pot at this point, widens V's range imo

While I think V's got weak holding according to pre-flop bet, K & Q are definitely in there given his position.

At this point I'm finding V' range to be too wide to assign, obviously AA-TT, Ax, Kx, KQ, & maybe some suited connectors. Since Hero isn't the aggressor I find checking here to be fine.

With him checking the up to this point, I'm putting him on a weak A, Q, or K, AA, JJ, or <99. There is also the possibility he's got KK & QQ but based on his weak open, I'm discounting these hands.

I personally think a bet around 3-6BB here would be appropriate to A) build a pot if you're ahead & B) give an indication to where you stand. Granted the issue is you have to decide what you'd do if he check/raises. Dependent on the c/r size I would still probably say call.

V's either folding or calling imo. If V's folding it's probably a draw and you're happy to charge/win, if V's calling you at least know V's hit something, and a re-raise you can assume strength.

AP I say a call would be best, I would think most of the time you're ahead. Not sure I'd re-raise because if V is slow playing KK or QQ you're done. The T also brings the possibility of AJ/J9 into the hand, w/o reads or stats I would say J9s/o is not in UTG open range but AJs/o is. Without betting the turn and giving a free card the possibility of AJ imo is much greater.

But all that is beating you right now is KK, QQ & AJ of which there are only something like 35 combos of? I'm not great with the in depth EV calculations but I think you're likely ahead still.

My confusion (and I find myself doing this in the moment to) is that you re-raise what I'm perceiving as a thin value bet and then fold. So my question why did you raise in the first place, what did you expect the outcome to be and did you even fathom V'd re-raise? In the moment, I have a ton of trouble thinking through hand possibilities so I usually don't hit that many levels


Just my two cents, now to find out how poor my skills are...

3x open is fairly standard, even for UTG and V is unlikely to be changing this due to the strength of their hand.

Yup

As before, V shouldn't be adapting his open size to hand strength. AA would not ever be checking twice here, and it's very unlikely that any Kx in an UTG open range will be checking twice too. Weak Qs like QJs/QTs may be checking twice however.

I don't think you ever want to be giving V an indication of where you stand. If you're betting it should be for value or as a bluff, and you always want V to be guessing which. There is merit to betting here, but the problem is that we rep nothing except our actual hand by betting here and if V senses this they can profitably raise and barrel river to get us off of it. Which is why I still like a check, but others may disagree?

You say call would be best, and then list the 35 combos that beat hero in this situation. I think KK/QQ are very unlikely to have not bet before the river for too much missed value, but somewhat possible if V puts us on a weak hand and wants to let us catch up. In all likelihood though, these aren't in V's range at this point.

If you want to justify a call then, you would need to find a number of combos (I have crap maths: Haizemberg where you at?) that would play this way that we beat compared to the hands that have us beaten (AJs/AJo maybe/J9s maybe) to make calling profitable in the long run.

Other (read: better) players might be able to correct me on some of my help here, but hopefully this gives you something think about

The only hands I feel I can confidently say bet river are AQ and QTs, maybe ATs, JTs, T9s (that we beat) AJ, J9s (which we lose too). We might be just ahead so its a call to his first bet.
That being said at the table I think I raise - but closer to half pot (raise to 18bb) since the board is quite dry and I want hands like AQ to consider calling. Then folding to a raise. Note to self I shouldn't be raising my set here!

3betting pre is pretty questionable.

I think the hand looks fine.

Calling midpairs pre must be OK.
River depends, can imagine OP raises only for value AJ/TT and the hand can be fold. Can imagine OP has bluffs like QJs and similar then we should think about call.