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Do we alwas go broke in a 3Bet Pot w/TPTK? Do we alwas go broke in a 3Bet Pot w/TPTK?

10-25-2018 , 07:07 AM
What are your general thoughts in a 3bet pot and on those hands in particular?
Villains are generall unknown, due to some HM issues unfortunately...

I don't think we have to go broke everytime, but I'm not sure.


1.

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
PartyPoker
9 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter

Stacks:
UTG Player7 ($100BB) 100bb
UTG+1 Player8 ($135.2BB) 135bb
MP1 Player9 ($100BB) 100bb
MP2 Player1 ($129.2BB) 129bb
MP3 Hero ($95.6BB) 96bb
CO Player3 ($121.4BB) 121bb
BTN Player4 ($101.8BB) 102bb
SB Player5 ($100BB) 100bb
BB Player6 ($79.2BB) 79bb

Pre-Flop: (1.4BB, 9 players) Hero is MP3 Q Q
2 folds, Player9 raises to 3.4BB, 1 fold, Hero raises to 11.6BB, 4 folds, Player9 calls 8.2BB
Flop: 8 5 J ($24.6BB, 2 players)

Player9 bets 23.4BB, Hero calls 23.4BB

Turn: J ($71.4BB, 2)
Player9 checks, Hero checks River: A ($71.4BB, 2)

Player9 goes all-in 65BB, Hero folds

Final Pot: $136.4BB

Player9 wins $198BB (net +$98BB)

Hero lost $35BB


2.

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
PartyPoker
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter

Stacks:
UTG Player2 ($337.8BB) 338bb
CO Player3 ($108.8BB) 109bb
BTN Player4 ($103BB) 103bb
SB Player6 ($124BB) 124bb
BB Hero ($86BB) 86bb

Pre-Flop: (1.4BB, 5 players) Hero is BB K A
Player2 calls 1BB, 1 fold, Player4 raises to 2.4BB, 1 fold, Hero raises to 8.6BB, Player2 calls 7.6BB, Player4 folds
Flop: A 2 10 ($20BB, 2 players)

Hero bets 12.6BB, Player2 calls 12.6BB

Turn: J ($45.2BB, 2)
Hero bets 28.6BB, Player2 raises to 57.2BB, Hero folds
Final Pot: $131BB

Player2 wins $154.6BB (net +$76.2BB)

Hero lost $49.8BB
Player4 lost $2.4BB


3.

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
PartyPoker
5 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter

Stacks:
UTG Player2 ($337.8BB) 338bb
CO Player3 ($108.8BB) 109bb
BTN Player4 ($103BB) 103bb
SB Player6 ($124BB) 124bb
BB Hero ($86BB) 86bb

Pre-Flop: (1.4BB, 5 players) Hero is BB K A
Player2 calls 1BB, 1 fold, Player4 raises to 2.4BB, 1 fold, Hero raises to 8.6BB, Player2 calls 7.6BB, Player4 folds
Flop: A 2 10 ($20BB, 2 players)

Hero bets 12.6BB, Player2 calls 12.6BB

Turn: J ($45.2BB, 2)
Hero bets 28.6BB, Player2 raises to 57.2BB, Hero folds
Final Pot: $131BB

Player2 wins $154.6BB (net +$76.2BB)

Hero lost $49.8BB
Player4 lost $2.4BB


4.

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
PartyPoker
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter

Stacks:
UTG Player2 ($101.4BB) 101bb
UTG+1 Player3 ($123.4BB) 123bb
CO Player4 ($100BB) 100bb
BTN Player5 ($125.2BB) 125bb
SB Hero ($82.2BB) 82bb
BB Player1 ($107.2BB) 107bb

Pre-Flop: (1.4BB, 6 players) Hero is SB A A
1 fold, Player3 raises to 3BB, 1 fold, Player5 calls 3BB, Hero raises to 13BB, Player1 calls 12BB, Player3 calls 10BB, Player5 calls 10BB
Flop: 7 6 8 ($52BB, 4 players)

Hero bets 37BB, 2 folds, Player5 goes all-in 112.2BB, Hero goes all-in 32.2BB

Turn: 9 ($233.4BB, 2), 2 all-in
River: 6 ($233.4BB, 2), 2 all-in

Final Pot: $233.4BB
Player5 shows
3 5
Hero shows
A A

Player5 wins $267BB (net +$141.8BB)

Player1 lost $13BB
Hero lost $82.2BB
Player3 lost $13BB


5.

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
PartyPoker
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter

Stacks:
UTG Player2 ($55.6BB) 56bb
UTG+1 Player3 ($113.4BB) 113bb
CO Player4 ($100BB) 100bb
BTN Player5 ($132BB) 132bb
SB Player6 ($94.8BB) 95bb
BB Hero ($98.6BB) 99bb

Pre-Flop: (1.4BB, 6 players) Hero is BB A K
Player2 raises to 2BB, Player3 raises to 7.4BB, 3 folds, Hero raises to 12.8BB, Player2 folds, Player3 calls 5.4BB
Flop: Q K 5 ($28BB, 2 players)

Hero bets 15BB, Player3 raises to 57.4BB, Hero goes all-in 70.8BB, Player3 calls 28.4BB

Turn: K ($199.6BB, 2), 1 all-in
River: 9 ($199.6BB, 2), 1 all-in

Final Pot: $199.6BB
Player3 shows
Q Q
Hero shows
A K

Player3 wins $189.8BB (net +$91.2BB)

Hero lost $98.6BB
Player2 lost $2BB


6.


$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Holdem
PartyPoker
6 Players
Hand Conversion Powered by WeakTight Poker Hand History Converter

Stacks:
UTG Hero ($94.6BB) 95bb
UTG+1 Player1 ($78.8BB) 79bb
CO Player2 ($105.4BB) 105bb
BTN Player3 ($98.6BB) 99bb
SB Player4 ($100BB) 100bb
BB Player5 ($179.2BB) 179bb

Pre-Flop: (1.4BB, 6 players) Hero is UTG K K
Hero raises to 4BB, Player1 calls 4BB, 4 folds
Flop: 9 8 10 ($9.4BB, 2 players)

Hero bets 6.6BB, Player1 calls 6.6BB

Turn: Q ($22.6BB, 2)
Hero bets 16.2BB, Player1 raises to 32.4BB, Hero folds
Final Pot: $71.2BB

Player1 wins $84.8BB (net +$41.8BB)

Hero lost $26.8BB

Last edited by Algo86; 10-25-2018 at 07:13 AM.
Do we alwas go broke in a 3Bet Pot w/TPTK? Quote
10-29-2018 , 10:30 AM
With the exception of the first scenario, it looks like you're playing a lot of your premium hands from EP. Consider folding them in EP, as the potential value really isn't worth continuing with the hands. In the first scenario, I would've made my raise at least pot sized or better to discourage suck outs like that.
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10-31-2018 , 06:05 AM
Hand 1 looks OK to my inexpert eye.

Hand 2 get back to 100BB and raise bigger PF.

Hand 5 you need to think about why you are betting the flop. What worse hands can call? You lose to AA, KK and QQ; you're not going to get value from JJ; yes you might be able to get AK to fold but there are bigger dangers out there. No other hands are going to call your bet. Once he raises the flop you should be snap folding.

Hand 6 is interesting. I think you need to bet the flop because there are very few cards which improve you and plenty which improve him. When you bet you are going to be called by almost every hand he has, and you won't know whether you're ahead or behind (the only hands which will fold are going to be AK, most AQ, the unlikely few KQ hands). The Q on the turn is a bad card unless he stuck around with AQ or KQ; unfortunately he got there with QQ, AJs, KJs, JTs, QTs (some of those hands more likely than others) and betting again is just too optimistic. There are very few hands remaining which you still beat.
Do we alwas go broke in a 3Bet Pot w/TPTK? Quote
11-05-2018 , 07:20 PM
Curious, what is your overall win % and dollars with these hands overall? Do you have that data? There may be some bet sizing I might do a little bit different preflop (nothing substantial - most hands look fine), but otherwise these look like good hands.
Do we alwas go broke in a 3Bet Pot w/TPTK? Quote
11-07-2018 , 03:41 PM
No, most of the time you shouldn´t go broke, bc you won´t be bloating the pot most of the time in 3b pots (it´s already bloated from preflop action).

Without reads, H1 looks ok.

H2/3 (they are the same lol), I´m going broke there.

H4 is ok.

H5 go bigger. Your sizing seems really bad. 1 pot at least. Then go broke otf.

H6 is not a 3b pot. Playing defensive poker with your KK on this board seems better. They won´t fold a J here to 2/3 pot bet anyway (and I think they are right), so x/c flop. As played, I think your fold is ok I guess. It´s not a board that you want to play a big pot, as it´s slightly better for his range than yours.

Having reads would reaaaaally help a lot, but if you´re playing on party normal tables, I guess that´s impossible.

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