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Old 05-27-2017, 04:19 AM   #1
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Do I fold River?

No Limit Hold'em $0.01/$0.02
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5 players
Formatted by Poker HUD for Mac and Windows

UTG - UTG ($2.00)
CO - Hero ($2.00)
BTN - BTN ($2.02)
SB - SB ($3.00)
BB - BB ($1.54)

Preflop: ($0.03, 5 players) Hero is CO with Ad Qd
1 fold, Hero raises to $0.04, 1 fold, SB calls $0.03, 1 fold

Flop: Qh Kd Qs ($0.10, 2 players - SB: $2.96, Hero: $1.96)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.05, SB calls $0.05

Turn: 2s ($0.20, 2 players - SB: $2.91, Hero: $1.91)
SB checks, Hero bets $0.17, SB calls $0.17

River: 8s ($0.54, 2 players - SB: $2.74, Hero: $1.74)
SB raises to $2.74 (all-in), Hero calls $1.74 (all-in), Uncalled bet of $1.00 returned to SB

Total Pot: $4.02
SB shows Qc Kc (with Full House (Q/K))
Hero shows Ad Qd (with Three Of Kind of Qs)

SB wins $3.82 with Full House (Q/K)

My first instinct was to cry fold the river, but if i fold this, I am just calling with boats. What do you typically call a donk jam with in micros?
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Old 05-27-2017, 10:37 AM   #2
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Re: Do I fold River?

meh. Readless its a sigh/fold..

Villain is unlikely to be doing this with a worse Q, so you're looking at boats and backdoor spades like KJss, but spades shouldn't really be jamming river here..

Against some villains I would call with a Q and possibly also with AKss
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Old 05-27-2017, 08:14 PM   #3
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Re: Do I fold River?

The thing about this one is your villain goes from calling down your bets to straight jamming on the river. From zero to one hundred when all you have done for the whole hand is show strength. The bet on the river is many times the size of the pot. It's either a weird bluff or he has a boat or flush.
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Old 05-28-2017, 05:27 AM   #4
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Re: Do I fold River?

It can be a fold depending on how you define the opponent's ranges.

Not many complete air hands are shoving here where then can easily just donk at a lower value. If the the villain is capable of shoving complete air here, then he is capable of doing it more than once and once you catch this in action, you can make note and profit off this guy in the long term. So for now, we can leave this part out of the equation because you can fold her and still catch him later.

The real question becomes how many Qx hands is he shoving here.

AQ is a chop, and Q2, Q8, KQ all beat you. How many QJ, QT, Q9, Q7, Q6, Q5, Q4, Q3 hands does he have?

For most standard opponents, I'd expect KK to raise pre and I wouldnt expect defends worse than Q7. Thus I'd put his range at 22,88, AQ - Q7. The call and fold is pretty close here.

Maybe he had KJs, TJ, AJ of spades? He has more flushes than you and you heavily repped the queen so flush jams are reasonable. I think the fold is more profitable here, but it's close. I wouldn't be able to fold your hand in that moment either.

If you call with flushes here, then you can make the argument that you can fold trips. Calling with all trips, flushes, and boats here might make your calling range too big against his shove range.
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Old 05-31-2017, 04:27 PM   #5
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Re: Do I fold River?

I really don't see villain check calling twice, then overbet shoving with a worse queen, or really any value hand you beat.

And it is weird for a stone bluff too. JT missed, but likely should not have called the turn. AJ and AT definitely should not have. And calling twice with air to set up a river bluff would be beyond weird.

So it is an easy fold unless you can really convince yourself that he'd play a worse queen this way. Personally I think most players at that level would have check raised the flop or turn with a worse queen, and those who would just check call twice would check it again on the river.
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