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Old 09-13-2018, 04:42 PM   #1
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Did I play this correctly?

***** Hand History for Game 17722662498 *****
$0.05/$0.10 USD NL Texas Hold'em - Thursday, September 13, 16:10:57 ADT 2018
Table Shanghai (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6/6
Seat 4: Player4 ( $8.37 USD )
Seat 2: Player2 ( $16.13 USD )
Seat 1: Player1 ( $16.89 USD )
Seat 5: Player5 ( $10 USD )
Seat 3: Hero ( $14.59 USD )
Seat 6: Player6 ( $10.28 USD )
Hero posts small blind [$0.05 USD].
Player4 posts big blind [$0.10 USD].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Kh Jh ]
Player5 folds
Player6 raises [$0.30 USD]
Player1 folds
Player2 folds
Hero calls [$0.25 USD]
Player4 calls [$0.20 USD]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 4h, 3s, 8h ]
Hero checks
Player4 checks
Player6 bets [$0.60 USD]
Hero raises [$2 USD]
Player4 folds
Player6 raises [$5.23 USD]
Hero is all-In [$12.29 USD]
Player6 is all-In [$4.15 USD]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
** Dealing River ** [ 4c ]
Player6 shows [ Ah, Qh ]two pairs, Fours and Threes with Ace kicker.
Hero shows [ Kh, Jh ]two pairs, Fours and Threes.
Hero wins $4.31 USD from the side pot 1 with two pairs, Fours and Threes.
Player6 wins $19.86 USD from the main pot with two pairs, Fours and Threes with Ace kicker.
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Old 09-13-2018, 06:45 PM   #2
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Re: Did I play this correctly?

once the third raise goes in on the flop, we are in trouble. This is a contestable board, but it favors villain's range. He can have all overpairs, all nut flush draws, top pair combos, and all sets. We can have sets, no 2 pair combos theoretically, and never very strong overpairs, with theoretically fewer NFD combos, a bunch of middling pairs, and a decent amount of middling flush combos. He can actually reraise for value on this board with NFD assuming you are going to be playing back with a decent amount of FD on this texture. I would say preflop, you might strongly consider 3-betting this. We don't want to be flatting too much in SB, it puts us in very poor situations like this post flop without initiative. Yes, villain has a calling or even re-raising hand, but we have a very strong hand that doesn't mind raising to take initiative, which can flop strongly in many ways. Also, think about the board texture. Does this board look like it hits our range? Look at the hand that we flatted, a suited broadway that doesn't feel confident in putting in a reraise. 843 two tone is one of the worst boards for us to rep a hand on, what are we repping? A8s that wants to get value from AK / AQ type hands? 99 that is raising for protection, that didn't 3-bet? Or a set? very few value combos on this texture.
Also, we have no fold equity with the last raise. What do we want to be called by? The value and semi bluffs in their 3-bet get it in range on this board have us annihlated, assuming they are not just going to dump off with a worse flush draw or top pair that we are flipping against.
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Old 09-13-2018, 06:50 PM   #3
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Re: Did I play this correctly?

also, this is a multi-way pot. This makes our semi bluff more dangerous, as the big blind is still left to act, and they might check to the raiser with a strong hand in this situation.
also, yes, this is 10NL, but by flatting the SB, we open ourselves up to BB squeezes if initial raiser is active, and the BB knows what is going on. This puts us in really difficult situations, as we have already shown weakness by flatting out of position. We pretty much just set ourselves up to check/ fold a lot, or get into massive reverse implied odds situations out of position.

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Old 09-14-2018, 04:51 AM   #4
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Re: Did I play this correctly?

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also, this is a multi-way pot. This makes our semi bluff more dangerous, as the big blind is still left to act, and they might check to the raiser with a strong hand in this situation.
also, yes, this is 10NL, but by flatting the SB, we open ourselves up to BB squeezes if initial raiser is active, and the BB knows what is going on. This puts us in really difficult situations, as we have already shown weakness by flatting out of position. We pretty much just set ourselves up to check/ fold a lot, or get into massive reverse implied odds situations out of position.
I probably should have mentioned that the raiser is tight and the big blind was a fish, so I elected to call knowing that he would rarely raise and I did not want to shut him out of the pot. I figured checkraising was best as I don't want to call and run into AK or AJ that turns top pair, the reraise was very worrisome but I already had $2 invested and figured that he mostly has overpairs, many of which I'm doing very well against. However, AXh is a huge problem. Just a very tricky spot.
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Old 09-14-2018, 03:29 PM   #5
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I probably should have mentioned that the raiser is tight and the big blind was a fish, so I elected to call knowing that he would rarely raise and I did not want to shut him out of the pot. I figured checkraising was best as I don't want to call and run into AK or AJ that turns top pair, the reraise was very worrisome but I already had $2 invested and figured that he mostly has overpairs, many of which I'm doing very well against. However, AXh is a huge problem. Just a very tricky spot.
you didn't answer the question : what are you representing on this board that even AK high is going to be fearful of? Also, what hand that he is going to get in on the flop are we better than even money against? I think you're glossing over the fundamentals in this pot and are asking for confirmation that you played it well, but the truth is you made a massive pot out of position with king high against a tight opener on a relatively dry board without the preflop initiative multi-way.
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Old 09-14-2018, 05:02 PM   #6
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Re: Did I play this correctly?

I think that pre-flop 3-bet also makes us more money post. BB gets their equity denied, yes they are a fish, but you are out of position against a tight range from the initial opener, and we are now adding another player that we are out of position against. It is VERY hard to overcome this fact. Your goal should not be to play multi way pots out of position with RIO hands, even against a loose fish in BB. Think about if you 3-bet, HJ calls with an offsuit AQ, and then we see this board. Now we can rep all overpairs, top set, and big equity flush draws, and he now folds AQo to a c-bet. That's a big win, as we only had king high. Or, you get to barrel twice with a flush draw, and get him off of pocket sevens on good turns. That's also a huge win.
We are going to lose more often than we win by playing this hand in the fashion that we did preflop, we do not allow ourselves the option to credibly steal very much, as we are capping our range preflop flatting in the SB. You are essentially playing to hit the board strong, but more often than not you are not going to flop well enough with this hand to continue profitably, so you will not be compensated by the few times that the BB somehow gets stacked in a single raised pot while you are both out of position against the initial raiser. You also will be forced to call with dominated top pairs playing in marginal spots on future streets. KJ is a classic RIO hand, and flatting it n SB makes it very difficult to play profitably post.
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