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Originally Posted by la6ki
...What I want to ask concerns those spots in which there is a bunch of loose fish acting after us and there is a good chance we'll be playing a MW pot OOP. I want to divide what I am struggling with the following way:
1. Why is this situation bad for us? Don't the times when we flop TPTK and take 2-3 streets of value from draws/second pairs/worse top pairs compensate for the times when we miss and c/f or b/f TPTK because (for example) a passive fish raises us? Not to mention the times we flop better than TPTK (which, granted, are rare).
2. In this same spot, what kind of range would you actually open? Because if we open a hand like JJ-QQ, quite often there will be an overcard OTF and I imagine it might be more difficult to play that MW OOP, than AK. In other words, apart from the obvious KK+ that we're opening from every position, regardless of who's acting after us, what other hands might we fold UTG if there are many loose fish left to act and there is a chance we'll find ourselves in an undesirable spot post-flop? If we are actually opening JJ-QQ, what is our plan for when we get 2-3 callers for different types of flops?
3. Let me ask about a similar situation. Let's say we're in the SB and three loose fish limp in, everybody else folds and BB is a 13/10 nit. We know that the first limper almost never folds preflop for a single raise, so isolating OOP is most likely going to induce a chain of calls. What kind of range would you suggest for doing so and is this situation too different from when we were UTG? If so, could you please briefly mention the important differences and how they change our post-flop plan?
Thanks a lot for your time for making these great videos and discussing them with us!
Glad you enjoyed the movie. I'm just getting back from xmas vacation...thus the delay in response:
1.) It's not bad...but it might not be a good situation if your postflop game leaves a lot to be desired (such as MW CB skills, VB skills, ability to hand/texture/action read, etc.).
2.) I almost always open AK (there are select table situations where I might fold or limp instead). I would also ask myself if I could open limp at this table, which could change my opening thoughts with hands like 22-77...
3.) I won't give my exact raising range here...but I would consider reading the COTW on ISOing if you need help. I would be ISOing strongly though, simply because I expect to go 3-4 way most always if I ISO to a normal size and being OOP, I want something that will do well postflop in such a bloated spot
Hopefully that helps =)