Nice cotw coinflips.

I have a question about a hypothetical situation, do you think 78s is good enough to iso against a fish who almost never limp-folds and also doesn't like to fold to cbets?

I think it will be difficult to play postflop because when we flop TP, the fish can easily have a better kicker, and besides that we can't semibluff/barrel because the fish doesn't fold often.

depends on stack sizes, number of players behind, and how tight the players are behind.

fwiw you run the same risk of "better kicker" problem with Ax Kx Qx suited. the difference is you'll flop less equity with top pair when you hold 78s vs the other hands.

Let's say HJ = the fish (65bb), he limps, CO folds, I iso on the BTN, blinds are two supernits. Other than that fish never limp folds and he doesn't like to fold versus cbets...when I'm in this spot I always doubt if I should iso or not. (with 78s type hands) So sometimes I just limp otb instead.

About the TP better kicker thing with A,K,Qx suited, yeah you're right but because of that I don't mindlessly iso a hand like Q2s (not saying you suggest that, just an example) or something, in general I prefer my kicker to be an 8 or better.

Q2s is perfectly fine. just realize that board texture plays just as important a role as player type. Q2s on Q63r is different than Q2s on Q78hh

78s vs a 65bb player - meh, i'm not really a fan of isoing with it. if you're going to play it i think minraising is infinitely better in the scenario you described, if only to get the BB nit to fold his T5o.

Excellent post! Thanks!

op nice read... what you think about meh regs who limp from ep/mp and have a polarized limp raise range & how you adjust?...

coinflips guide to playing manly poker. Thanks man, you just destroyed the mytique around my laggy FR stats.

Interesting question.

I would be more apt to bet AKo for value. Against most of the LP's I see the JTx double suited pretty much smacks them in the face when you hold the x. Plus you have outs in the A4s hand that could improve you to something with plenty of value to stack a 2 pair hand. In the AKo hand we will be called by almost all of the LPs range and if he raises we can let it go (sounds like good value to me). I'm not saying I'd go huge on a bet, we don't need to bloat the pot.

Following assumes villain's preflop range contains pairs, connectors, two gaps, Suited rag face cards and Seven High Face cards or better. Combos adjust base on known cards.

Example 1
Preflop: AK
Villain: 22-QQ (66), KK-AA (6) 23-910 (128) 24-810 (112) A2-AQ (144) K2s-K6s (15), Q2s-Q6s, J2s-J6s (40) K7-KQ (72) Q7-QJ (80) J7-J10 (64) AK (9)
655 of 736= 89%

Flop: 67T
Behind: 46 56 68 78 79 810 910 10J 10Q (108) 10K, 10A, 67 (27) J6s Q6s (6) K6 (2) A6 (6) 7J 7Q (18) 7K 7A (12) 22-55, 88, 99, JJ, QQ (48) 66, 77, TT (9) 89 (16)
Split: AK (9)
Ahead: A2-A5 (48), A8, A9, AJ, AQ (48) K2s-K5s (12), K8, K9, KJ, KQ (48) Q2s-Q5s (16), Q8, Q9, QJ (48) J2s-J5s (16) 34, 35, 45, 8J, 9J (80) 23 24 (32)
348 of 599= 58%

Example 2
Preflop: A4
Villain: 22, 33, 55-KK (66) 44 & AA (6) 23, 56-910, 35, 57-810 (176) 34 45 46 (36) J2s-J6s, Q2s-Q6s, K2s-K6s (60) A2, A3, A5-AK (144) K7-KQ, Q7-QJ, J7-J10 (240) A4 (9)
560 of 737= 76%

Flop: 4JT
Behind: 8T, 9T, 10Q, 10K, J7, J8, J9, JQ, JK (108) J10, 10A, JA (18) 44 J4s (2) 55-99, QQ, KK (42) JJ, TT, AA (9) J2s, J3s, J5s, J6s (12)
Split: A4 (6)
Ahead: 22 & 33 (12) 23-79 (128) 24, 45, 46 (24) Q2s, Q3s, Q5s, Q6s K2s, K3s, K5s, K6s (32) Q4s K4s (4) Q7-Q9, K7-K9, KQ (112) A2, A3, A5-A9, AQ, AK (108)
420 of 617= 68%

"So you 3-bet in order to play HU with the bad player."

What do you mean by HU?

beginner forum FAQ. item 37.

spend some time looking over the beginner forum "sticky" posts and you'll get up to speed on lingo and how things work here

CO = VPIP:45%, PFR:5% fold to c-bet:82%
and the 2 players in the blinds are nits

in this example i raise with AJ but actually we can isolate the CO fish with a very wide range, because he will call alot preflop and fold most of the time postflop. so instead of raising 0.14c it will be better to make it something between 0.26c and 0.30c. and pick up the dead money postflop.

$0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players

MP: $1.99
CO: $1.82
BTN: $6.78
Hero (SB): $5.29
BB: $1.87
UTG: $6.07

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is SB with A J
2 folds, CO calls, 1fold, Hero raises to $0.14,

right ?

thx

BB = 29/11 (1.2k hands) fold to cbet 56% over 39 instances
MP1 = 22/5 (628 hands)
CO = 27/8 (2.3k hands) fold to cbet 63% over 60 instances

Essentially, all villains are bad regs.

a) Is this a bad isolation in light of the fact we are likely to go multiway with the call happy regs?

b) Do we bet flop?



Response

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Good read

good read

Great thread..made a huge difference to my game.

basic question..assume same table
00) On the BTN, what kind of offsuit cards you ISO with ? AJo+?, Do you iso KQo?


1) In the AJs in SB example with expected multi callers - Can our range to ISO be 99+, AQs+, KQs ?

2) Same table, what if we are UTG with AA and expecting bunch of callers? What should be our open raise sizing 6bb+? (this comes roughly to 10% of effective stacks?) or 30bb (10% of the BB)?