Hah, I thought I was the only one trying to go in the reverse direction.

Actually, what I really want to do is develop a sophisticated understanding as to when to employ each of the styles and techniques. I know loose table=nit/TAG and nit table=LAG, but I think I could potentially break it down some more.

Great work OP. I thought I was alone in thinking: "It's ok and profitable to play LAG".

Being an older (35+) stoner, I'm just incabable of playing more than 2 tables optimally. A single 17" monitor might contribute to this. I'd get hung up thinking about a decision on one table while I'm timing out with AA on another (don't laugh, its happened more than once)

I've decided that if I can't be a multitabler, I'll beat them. And that's what I do. I make note if you PTR shows thousands of hands in a few months. Then I lean on em.

I usually limp pre or minraise, then steal on the flop or the turn. Doyle Brunson Power Poker is alive and well in the micros. Most multitablers fold like a lawn chair if they didn't catch the flop. Then, when they do wake up with a hand, it's easy to get out of their way. And just like Doyle said, the $$ lost on those hands that fail is more than made up on the hands where it works.

Now I know this won't work at higher levels where the aggression is higher and 3-betting more common. But unless I take down a mtt or something, it's going to be a bit before I have the BR to move up.

Like others earlier, I take lumps on the weekends when its so loose, so I play tournaments then.

Personally, I've been trying to build a LAG game for months, this CotW is perfect for me. I play 2-3 tables and 14/12 just doesn't get me in enough interesting spots to force me to focus and think hard enough to improve significantly. It's also a lot less fun being a tight player and multitabling, and I'm not out solely to make money, but have fun and improve my understanding/application of game concepts

Since we're asking about numbers, how are these:
24/21/3.6
3b:5.7 (4b/sqz: ~1%;5%)
C3b:7.7 (exploitable a bit)
WtSD:18
W$SD:53
W$wSF:42
Agg%:38
Cb: 72 (50/50 effective)
TCb:29
FtCb:57
ATS:63
SD: 22BB/100
(only over 1200 hands, tho)
I'm thinking the two 3b #s could be higher, turn down Cbet apparently a bit, and maybe call down a bit more often since I'm seeing no SDs here and my Agg seems highish (prob variance from sample size, though).

lol numbers...

How many months did it take you to play 1.2k hands?

Just started a new DB since I lost my old one in a HD format. Not sure it's been 1 month yet for this one. I don't play high volume anymore, so it will take forever to get less variant stats.

There's a certain schizophrenia about poker advice on this site. On hand, you're just supposed to play nitty and make money off value bets. This is the advice given here:

On the other hand, we have advice on how to be a LAG in FR micros. Oh, the irony.

I fail to see any. That quote said you don't NEED to get thin value especially if you're not winning at your limit. Of course you don't have to bet thin to beat micros but if you want to become better you should become able to bet thin.

LAG =/ thin value.

There's really no contradiction here.

Im sure split wasn't addressing this cotw to the 10nl and under players but rather to 25nl and 50nl (correct me if I'm wrong).

And while at 25nl this cotw should be carefully used while spotting nitTAG regs and can cost u money if not applied correctly. Also at 25nl u can have a solid WR without it. BUT At 50NL this cotw is PRICELESS as you will encounter alot of regs and some of the points split mentioned here (such as thresholds regs have for different types of hands and exploiting them) are very spot on.

for me personally this cotw made it instantly into my favourites and I think it's solid gold and I can honestly say that it has given me points to think about and has improved my game (even tho im still far from being your typical lag).

well there are a 1000 different strategies that you can use to beat this game. they do differ in difficult, skill-necessary, WR-cap, etc...but you can beat the game as a LAG, as a TAG, as a nit, etc

Great post.

I play fairly laggy (28/24) and have found a few other things to note. First is tilt control. Getting out of hand while already playin 30% can cost a fortune before you even realize I think it is even more important for a lag to be in control as much as possible.

The other, And I'm surprised this wasn't said, is the importance of playing deep. Lagging it up with a bunch of 60bb stacks isn't nearly as profitable as it is with 200bb+. This seems obvious but many consider "the best players" playing style as lag and don't remember that these crazy implied odds that let you make profitable moves that are simply not possible. Lags rely on FE a lot and your mention of "exposure" is right on.

Thanks for the tips, this COTW was great at getting me thinking about the topic so mission accomplished.

Do you play FR or 6max? I wouldn't describe 28/24 as 'fairly laggy' at FR.

28/24 is kind of maniac style for FR....
Cant imagine somebody could multitabling more than 12 tables with this style and winning money over the longrun...

amazing read!!

glad you enjoyed =) I certain did forget to add some of the more basic things, like stack sizes while table selection...so good add on that!

thank you...glad you liked it

Wow, just wow. I love this! Very well thought out, illustrated and explained. I have much to consider next session.

I want a part II and III when you have time.

glad you liked it =)

and I want a new computer with a quad 24" setup...I'm sure we could work out a trade for part II and III =)

Already sent you a PM so no more accolades!

You reference a post/thread by mpethybridge further back a few times. Is it a CoTW thread? I'm not certain to what posts you're referring to. PM a link if you don't want to clutter/hijack the thread please?

thank you sir =)

this thread/video: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...nl-lag-640908/

this post: http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=132

4K views in the first week...sweet =)

Very very nice post

thank you =)

i often join tables and have very few hands on anyone. does lag work as well without hands on your opponents. i play 25nl btw. should i be bluffing and 3betting unknowns light?

It really depends a lot on the tables that your selecting, day, time, and other factors. You can't go wrong by not bluffing unknowns, but as long as you are making small stabs in good spots, its not bad.

Also, I have noticed that the 50BB tables are a little bit 3 bet/float happy right now. Not the best time for making moves.