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04-30-2008 , 10:27 AM

#26

PLAYOFFS

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Originally Posted by free_turn_card

If you bluff a 4-flush on the river (9 cards out there) couldn't you also bluff an OESD (8 cards) that hits on the river?

dingdingding

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04-30-2008 , 11:06 AM

#27

free_turn_card

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Originally Posted by Vandalar

...therefore bluffing is not a good idea against usual players IMO.

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Originally Posted by PLAYOFFS

dingdingding

so this is NO vs. dingdingding (YES)?

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04-30-2008 , 11:20 AM

#28

PLAYOFFS

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Originally Posted by free_turn_card

so this is NO vs. dingdingding (YES)?

I'm giving it a dingdingding. I think bluffing in these situations is easier to do against someone with a weaker grasp of the game rather than someone who can read through one of these bluffs. When some people see 4 flush cards on the board they automatically think flush. Likewise, when some people see 4 straight cards on the board they automatically think straight. Obviously both of these bluffs are villain dependent.

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04-30-2008 , 11:33 AM

#29

CalledDownLight

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you're gonna get away with bluffing 4 flush a lot more than 4 straight and rightfully so if you think about weighted ranges and the possible combos of each board.

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04-30-2008 , 01:19 PM

#30

KurtSF

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Ooh I missed this. Awesome post!

Also, please add the ama0330 theorem please.

http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...Number=8188292

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04-30-2008 , 01:25 PM

#31

SammyG-SD

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Originally Posted by Landlord79

Landlord Theorum

Reasoning: On a 3 flushed or very drawy board, a huge over-donk bet that is designed to shut out all draws is always a strong made hand but not the nuts.

Reliability: I'd say about 75% reliable

man I overbet the nutz all the time in that situation...

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04-30-2008 , 02:15 PM

#32

Landlord79

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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

man I overbet the nutz all the time in that situation...

Me too!

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02-12-2009 , 05:49 AM

#33

Fishpocalypse

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Originally Posted by SammyG-SD

man I overbet the nutz all the time in that situation...

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Originally Posted by Landlord79

Me too!

you guys are missing out! definitely bet 1/4 pot all 3 streets, don't scare them away!

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02-12-2009 , 10:48 AM

#34

richbrown360

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"Clarkmeister's Theorem - When you are OOP HU on the river and a 4-flush comes always bet."

where has this theorem being hiding? took me a while to figure this one out.

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02-12-2009 , 11:04 AM

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MartinK1979

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what about the never-bluff-a-donkey theorem???

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02-12-2009 , 11:23 AM

#36

Uppercut

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Value bet a calling station all on 3 streets with TP.

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02-12-2009 , 12:48 PM

#37

Providence

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Originally Posted by Uppercut

Value bet a calling station all on 3 streets with TP.

Wow that's a good one, almost as good as:

Get involved in poker games with people who are worse at poker than you are.

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02-12-2009 , 04:17 PM

#38

Uppercut

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Originally Posted by Providence

Wow that's a good one, almost as good as:

Get involved in poker games with people who are worse at poker than you are.

And yet people fail to do this all the time. Here is my high-level theorum in action today:

Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 36964
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

BTN: $24.65
SB: $25.00
Hero (BB): $25.00
UTG: $3.15
UTG+1: $17.50
MP1: $14.65
MP2: $25.65
CO: $26.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is BB with K

2 folds, MP1 calls $0.25, 4 folds, Hero raises to $1, MP1 calls $0.75

Flop: ($2.10) T

(2 players)
Hero bets $1.50, MP1 calls $1.50

Turn: ($5.10) 9

(2 players)
Hero bets $3.50, MP1 calls $3.50

River: ($12.10) 5

(2 players)
Hero bets $4, MP1 calls $4

Spoiler:

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02-12-2009 , 05:18 PM

#39

traktor

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BelugaWhale Theorem - When you are the preflop raiser and your turn bet is raised or check/raise, it is time to re-evaluate one pair hands.

why does it matter if you are the preflop raiser or u called a preflop raise?

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02-13-2009 , 01:36 AM

#40

andyhai

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Originally Posted by traktor

because you told them preflop you were strong, you told them on the flop you were strong, now on the turn you're still telling them you're strong, and yet they still like their hand enough to raise you on the turn.

therefore your TP is no good a very large percentage of the time. or at least that's how i read it.

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02-13-2009 , 05:38 AM

#41

juguerra

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Most of the time, if you call a pre-flop raise you shouldn't even be at the turn with a one pair hand. It would also implie that you played a hand in a stupid way as "call raise from the blinds with AQ, hit the Q, then donk the flop. Then you re-donk the turn and get raised". Well, if anyone gets this far playing a hand like this, I hope they just shove over the pre-flop raiser and go broke.

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02-13-2009 , 01:21 PM

#42

KurtSF

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Anyone remember the name of the theorem that says "if JT can make the nuts on a given board, someone has it"?

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02-13-2009 , 03:25 PM

#43

richbrown360

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Originally Posted by KurtSF

Anyone remember the name of the theorem that says "if JT can make the nuts on a given board, someone has it"?

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02-13-2009 , 03:27 PM

#44

juguerra

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Originally Posted by KurtSF

Anyone remember the name of the theorem that says "if JT can make the nuts on a given board, someone has it"?

This is so true.

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06-11-2009 , 03:57 AM

#45

alekhine11

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Name: The Aln Theorem
Reliability: 7/10
Overview: Basically anyone using an "intellipoker" Avatar on Stars sucks BIGtime

Certainly the most reliable of them all.

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06-11-2009 , 04:48 AM

#46

*Split*

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my original theorm:

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*The SplitSuit Axiom*

"take a players vpip and add it to their pfr. the number you get from this calculation is the %chance that that person will win the pot"

However, i think it has implications this way...

The Split Steal Theorm:

When you are stealing, add up a players vpip and pfr, and that is the % chance that they give your steal action (by either calling or 3b-ing)

reliability: 65%
overview: gives you a rough idea on how often your steal will work from a raw "steal is successful v not" view

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08-25-2009 , 12:04 AM

#47

arrytus

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this was an awesome thread-- great stuff --- here is an example of gus hansen evincing zeebo's theorem

http://www.bankrollingpoker.com/poke...r-t104.htm#479

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09-16-2009 , 10:22 AM

#48

DMDDR

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Tipping the bottle back leads to tipping your stack(to another player)

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09-16-2009 , 11:03 AM

#49

DDAWD

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Anyone watch the 2008 WSOP ME coverage? There was someone who made an incredible laydown. Someone had a set of Js on a paired board. He managed to get away from that hand as there was another player who had an overset of Ks.

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09-16-2009 , 12:14 PM

#50

a poker student

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snap calls r weak

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