So what do we do about the pot-pot-shove thread?

Legend has it that Doyle aka Texas Dolly, aka the Godfather of Poker, Brunson won't play AQ.

Pretty long post on initiative (2008):
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/78...iative-139320/

Can someone do a COTW on river check/raises? Idk if I've ever check raised OTR. ever.

I'd like to see someone talk about blind vs blind battles. i find these can be very tricky would like to have someone who has experience at small stakes too.

looks like we got a lil behind here. anyone want to sign up for a COTW? Pick a topic and lemme know so I can put you on the calendar =)

There's still a s**tload of stuff for people to discuss in the maths one - might not be the worst thing to leave that up for a while.

I have an amazing idea for a COTW - I'm definitely not qualified for doing this one though: Something about playing small pots against unknowns i.e. like raising AJo and there being a draw-heavy board which we miss - what should the default line be? What if it's a reg? fish? aggrodonk? The reason I feel this is useful is because we play far more many small pots than big ones and we miss the flop more often than we hit it.

i was planning on leaving the math COTW up. as an aside, I recent wrote an article on chaos theory for my site that might fit in nicely, so if you want to link it in there, you are more than welcome

I like your COTW idea, although I did cover a lot of that in my Planning COTW (building default lines and such)...I support a "Default lines against unknowns" if you wish to tackle it =)

+1

It was covered really briefly in the reg wars and blind defence cotws, but a more in depth discussion of more specific and extreme scenarios of BvB that we commonly come across would be really cool.

I'm really not sure if I'm qualified to do it and I'm too busy at the moment with work unfortunately. Volunteers?

I would do it, but mine would be,

Value, value, value...and then people would argue...sigh

arguing is a good thing imo

I'd like to see something about donking. It's something I've been trying to add to my game, but am never really sure if it's a better spot to c/r or donk.

We already had one about donking, didn't we? Or are you asking for another one? Basically I donk as bluff if he's going to check behind a lot *and* will fold to a bet a lot, and donk for value if he's going to raise a lot. Otherwise, better to c/r. There are a few spots where it's pretty cool to donk into a field too, but pretty rare.

As for default lines against unknowns... wasn't the original idea more that someone would just get a discussion going, and then the meat of the subject would be contained in the various posts of the discussion? We're probably putting too much pressure on ourselves to write awesome first posts. Hell, a really bad first post might be just as good for getting people talking.

So I'd say just go for it Lx12. But if you guys need it, I can start the thread on default lines vs. unknowns. (Teaser: quit trying to barrel unknowns ffs)

Yeah, I thought it was more about reacting to donk bluffs, I didn't remember reading much about adding donking to your arsenal.

One problem is that an unknown at 2nl is so wildly different than an unknown at 50nl, any generalized advice is likely to be -EV.

Another is that VPIP and PFR converge fairly rapidly at the extremes. If someone hasn't played in 15 hands, I'm going to assume their fairly tight when they eventually come in, no matter what the aggregate "unknown" does. PFR gives are reasonable clue as to their ATS until that locks in. I'd rather be using incomplete real data vs. a combo player. If it really is just a few hands, you just assume their bets say exactly what their hand is until they prove otherwise.

Finally, any aggregate player data is going to be stale in 6 months anyway.

Good points venice. Really imo a guy is unknown if you don't have any solid reads (or stats, but reads are better) to indicate what his postflop game looks like. So I can easily have 150 hands on a guy and he can still be unknown, because I haven't really played more than 2 or 3 pots with him postflop and haven't paid close attention to his other hands after I've folded.

Yeah, I don't think I've altered my "vs unknown" play since being at 5NL through 50NL mainly because it really doesn't take many hands to get a sense of a player.

Are these COTW just as relevant to 6m as they are full ring?

they are FR specific (wrt parameters)...but can be extrapolated to 6max, yes

would deeply appreciate if this is done..

alright, i scraped together something quickly since we hadn't had a new COTW in a long while. i need some volunteers for future ones please. even if you just write a lil paragraph to get a convo started...it works! just pick something and lemme know =)

Someone suggest something really cool - and you might get me to do a beast COTW.

I'd like to do one on restealing if it's okay. My students have trouble with it at first. It might generate some discussion if nothing else. I haven't seen it discussed so ignore me if there's already a COTW on it.

Onaflag...........

that works. pick a monday and it's all yours =)