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Originally Posted by mpethybridge
This is the hand I was talking about upthread--I think i said up there that I was suited, so my bad on that.
Anyway, villain in this hand was 3 betting me pretty much every orbit; in a pretty big sample his 3 bet raise % was 14%
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OK, so he is 3 betting with 14% of his hands:
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 55.232% 51.33% 03.91% 130071968 9898314.50 { AsQh }
Hand 1: 44.768% 40.86% 03.91% 103552395 9898314.50 { 77+, A8s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, ATo+, KJo+, QJo }
I'm significantly ahead of his range, so I 4 bet:
Hero raises to $25, BB raises to $50.45,
Now we have his 5 bet shove--at this point, his range is pretty polarized--he has a strong hand or he has a hand he is bluffing/semi-bluffing with, so his range looks like this, more or less (I just threw in some trash to represent the crap he might shove on a bluff):
equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 41.265% 40.55% 00.71% 40273408 707897.50 { AsQh }
Hand 1: 58.735% 58.02% 00.71% 57624429 707897.50 { JJ+, 44, 22, AKs, 54s, AKo, 54o }
So now I am an underdog to his shoving range. But there's $75 in the pot and it is $25 to me, so I only need to win 1 time in 3 to break even. Since I actually win 40% of the time against this range, this is a profitable call.
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Now, suppose I had only 4 bet to $18. This would have put $68 in the pot and it would have been $32 more for me to call. It would have been a much less profitable play for me to 4 bet to $18 and call a shove than it was for me to 4 bet to $25 and call a shove; this was why I 4 bet big, to give myself an easy call against even a very tight shoving range (and to maximize my fold equity).
Increasing your 4bet to make your shove call easier is only right if there is some increase in FE, right? (presumably this could be quantified with some FE numbers)
I'm trying to build this example in StoxEV. In your example, you add some hands to his shove range that were not in his 3bet range (e.g. 44, 22, 54). I think in StoxEV these new hands get ignored. Can anyone who uses StoxEV work this this example and suggest the correct approach?
Should the 3bet range be modified to be a superset of the 5bet shove while still being 14% of hands?