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03-08-2009 , 11:21 PM
Hey kids! sircuddles here with some more advice. When you're like me and write a big guide on what not to do at the micros, what's the worst thing you can do? Not follow your own advice!

I'll repeat it again kids, don't slow play. This is one of the worst hands I've ever played. Just raise and take the blinds instead of losing your stack.



Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 No Limit Hold'em - 6 players - View hand 60928
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

CO: $32.20
BTN: $10.00
Hero (SB): $37.70
BB: $42.05
UTG: $25.40
MP: $13.00

Pre Flop: ($0.35) Hero is SB with A A
UTG calls $0.25, 3 folds, Hero calls $0.15, BB checks

Flop: ($0.75) 6 A 5 (3 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG bets $0.75, Hero calls $0.75, BB folds

Turn: ($2.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1, Hero raises to $3.25, UTG calls $2.25

River: ($8.75) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets $6.50, UTG raises to $13, Hero raises to $33.45 all in, UTG calls $8.15 all in

Final Pot: $51.05
Hero shows A A (three of a kind, Aces)
UTG shows A 4 (a straight, Deuce to Six)
UTG wins $48.55
(Rake: $2.50)
03-09-2009 , 12:19 AM
A+ for effort and layout.
If it encourages newbs to read all the stickies great.
I would add other things but I dont want another reg war to spill onto all the threads
03-09-2009 , 12:21 AM
Very good cuddles, excellent thread.
03-09-2009 , 12:32 AM
Respect!
03-09-2009 , 06:23 AM
sticky?
03-09-2009 , 06:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TWM
This is why I don't make strat posts.


03-09-2009 , 08:00 AM
because you get a discussion?
03-09-2009 , 08:04 AM
Poker Stars $0.10/$0.25 Pot Limit Hold'em - 9 players - View hand 61525
The Official 2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked.com

UTG+2: $30.50
MP1: $24.50
MP2: $3.75
CO: $10.35
BTN: $14.15
Hero (SB): $28.90
BB: $5.55
UTG: $8.55
UTG+1: $10.00

UTG+1 posts a big blind ($0.25)

Pre Flop: ($0.60) Hero is SB with A A
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 checks, 3 folds, CO calls $0.25, 1 fold, Hero raises to $1.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $1, 1 fold, CO calls $1

Flop: ($4.25) A 2 2 (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $1, CO calls $1, Hero calls $1

Turn: ($7.25) T (3 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $2, CO calls $2, Hero raises to $4.75, UTG calls $2.75, CO calls $2.75

River: ($21.50) T (3 players)
Hero bets $6, UTG calls $1.55 all in, CO folds

Final Pot: $24.60
Hero shows A A (a full house, Aces full of Tens)
UTG shows T T (four of a kind, Tens)
UTG wins $23.45
(Rake: $1.15)


This is why you don't slowplay.

Great post Sircuddles.
03-09-2009 , 08:18 AM
I know you are kidding Pocket, but this is a good spot to slowplay the flop
03-09-2009 , 08:27 AM
lol, yes i was joking.
03-09-2009 , 08:30 AM
Good job, sircudlles.

I read the discussion about slowplaying. I think that in 2003, one time, I checked an A-high flop as the pre-flop raiser. But I'm not sure, it might have been a K-high flop.
03-09-2009 , 08:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sircuddles
LIMIT SPECIFIC ADVICE: JUST HOW ******ED ARE MY OPPONENTS?
2NL & 5NL - One thing is very profitable at these limits that isn’t profitable anywhere else. Limping. Part of the reason is because you are deep stacked with 200BB’s. The other part of the reason is that people aren’t that aggressive pre flop and most of the time people won’t be raising over top of a few limpers. You can limp any pocket pair from almost any position and it will be a +EV play. Always raise your unopened strong holdings as normal, but be a bit more liberal with your limps. Speculative hands are great when you’re playing 200BB’s deep and your opponents aren’t aggressive. At this limit weak tight is super profitable and you can play like a nit and still get paid off by any fish with a pair.
This really got my attention.

And the reason it works is that most players at those limits are not thinking in terms of what we have, so it doesn't matter that we actually give them information on the type of hand we're playing (unless we're limping every played hand, which we don't do).

So is your advice to limp weak holdings (*) behind but still open raise them from the appropriate positions?

Or is it to limp weak holdings no matter what?

(*) 77-, AJ-, KT-KQ, QT-QJ
03-09-2009 , 08:52 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by vinnie2k
This really got my attention.

And the reason it works is that most players at those limits are not thinking in terms of what we have, so it doesn't matter that we actually give them information on the type of hand we're playing (unless we're limping every played hand, which we don't do).

So is your advice to limp weak holdings (*) behind but still open raise them from the appropriate positions?

Or is it to limp weak holdings no matter what?

(*) 77-, AJ-, KT-KQ, QT-QJ
It really depends on the table. At 5NL most people aren't attacking limpers, so you can limp behind most of the time relatively safely. Generally you'll still want to raise them first in, but you can limp behind with PP's profitably without worrying about a raise. I don't recommend limping behind with hands like KT, KQ, QT, QJ. If there are two callers just fold them. Things like isolation raises don't really work at 5NL so there's no point in raising to try to get one or more person to fold because they simply won't.

Limping behind and sometimes open limping with PP's is OK at 5NL, but dump everything else (or raise).
03-09-2009 , 10:01 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TheDataKid
because you get a discussion?
Because we got a blown up discussion about a totally different thing then why I posted the hand.
03-09-2009 , 10:12 AM
Awesome guide!!! Now make one for $50NL or am I missing one. I am new to the micro cash forum.
03-09-2009 , 10:15 AM
but most of the times its related too, I think, TMW
03-09-2009 , 10:19 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TWM
Because we got a blown up discussion about a totally different thing then why I posted the hand.


Isnt discussion on all things poker related that will improve peoples play a good thing though?
03-09-2009 , 10:20 AM
...late. Good job dude. This is right the F on.
03-09-2009 , 11:31 AM
Sticky the **** out of this. Excellent guide cuddles.

I just got back into grinding 25NL with a bankroll of 750~. I'm taking shots at .25/.50 now and then, but until I'm properly rolled for it, I won't be having a serious crack. Need more time at 25NL.

You had some very nice tips, across the board. I'll definitely be coming back here later on and taking some notes. I already know what to do when I'm playing, but I need to remember it. Folding KJ UTG, not getting tricky after a long session and losing $8 on 2nd pair. I've been playing micro for a while and I can only attest to what cuddles is saying, value the fish. They will pay you.

Well done sir!
03-09-2009 , 12:07 PM
Thanks for the effort. Replying to add to my list of things to read when I have some free time from work.
03-09-2009 , 02:38 PM
awesome time consuming and rewarding work sir.
03-09-2009 , 03:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sircuddles

Be very careful pre flop against a nitty or regular player with AK. If they put in the first raise (or worse, the second) you’re in a bad spot. Your best bet is generally just to call and see the flop and take it from there. AK is a good hand, but most beginners overvalue it, keep it in mind at the tables that overvaluing AK is a losing proposition.

Fold PF with AK is acceptable also against the NITS.

"take it from there" = keep the pot small if you call and hit against a NIT. AK is not a big pot hand against NITS. Look elsewhere in cuddle's post to find villains that allow you to hammer AK.




Stick to what works. You'll pick up only the blinds with AA plenty of times, don't worry about it. Always raise it and sooner or later someone with JJ, QQ, or KK will fight back pre flop, or someone will flop TPTK and you'll stack them. Just be patient
This last little gem is really a struggle for most. Stay focused, be patient should be tatted to the insides of your eyelids.
03-09-2009 , 03:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sircuddles
Raising first in:
UTG/UTG+1: AQs, AK, 77+
MP1: AJ+, 55+
So how do we play 66-22 from EP? Limp and play "bad" poker? Fold and throw away the set value?
03-09-2009 , 03:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by g3nn
So how do we play 66-22 from EP? Limp and play "bad" poker? Fold and throw away the set value?
This advice is focused towards people who are unable to beat 10NL or below, in which case folding is the best option. Once they're able to beat the limit (as stated in the guide), I recommend opening up the ranges which would include raising 22-66 UTG. If you can't beat 5NL one of the last things you need to worry about is 'lost' value from folding 22 UTG.

And for the record folding 22-66 UTG isn't that much of a crime, a lot of higher level players have very tight UTG ranges and will fold small PP's. It's more personal preference than anything (at the higher limits).
03-09-2009 , 03:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by sircuddles
And for the record folding 22-66 UTG isn't that much of a crime.
I totally agree when developing your game. Most of the time you will be OOP with an underpair, then what? If you can't answer that, you should just fold them. Remember "out of position, out of the action" when planning your hand.

      
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