If your base strategy beats 5nl zone i got news for you man , your a fish.

i said it is possible for the site to super use but i dont think so anymore( i think and army of super ****ing tight agro bots would do just fine. , i use pt4 and no hud in the game being that it would be absolutely useless. anger has nothing to do with my strat i can be mad or calm my strat especially in zone doesnt change much once i start a session. what im struggling with is actually how tight your range really has to be preflop when faceing 3bets. like folding queens profitably. this is nuts. posting a single hand doesnt mean anything im talking about the sheer volume of pairs and sets and large hands simpley can not be possible.( this doesnt mean someone cant adjust to it without necessarily being aware of it) and beat zone. id love to see a graph of 50k + hands of someone beating which is why i made the thread. ill find out when i get a decent volume of hands in anyway so its doesnt matter but its really really unlikely that you can profitably fold AK JJ QQ to a 3b and come out on top without something going on with the hands. this is where im at with it now.

Why would you fold QQ? You flat and see a flop.


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You should 4 bet QQ, but facing a 5bet jam you are probably up against AA, KK, AKs. Against a 5 bet jam, I am folding QQ unless V is short stacked. That is one difference in zone and regular however, I am more likely to call a jam with QQ at regular tables as opposed to zone.

I think you're right you have to play at the top of your value range and hope the fish pay you off. That is where you will make your money at zone. But really that is no different than regular games at the microstakes.

You will have to bluff catch as well but I still think your value hands is where you will make your money.

My VPIP/PFR is something like 19/17 over 30k hands. But I play the same ranges in zone as well as regular tables.

I think the mistake that many are making is that you have to play zone differently than regular tables. The micros are the micros regardless of zone or regular. The game is the same. You have to take a ABC Tight aggressive approach. This will win the long run.

I would 4 bet if smaller stack is under 100BB and flat if stacks are deeper.


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have seen a fair amount of coolers, still think that post flop is extremely profitable. People do all kinds of wacky stuff like donk barrel into you on dry boards after flatting in the sb in a single raised pot and ****, and continue barreling with like middle pair, no additional draw. What times do you play, also? I play from like 12-6am CST, pool seems really soft during this period.

Dude 5nl zone is so easy I just won 14 buyins in 3 hours while drinking a bottle of wine and five beers.. and playing a 3 dollar toirney that I came in 20th while watching ozark on Netflix. Zone is so easy at 5nl it is laughable. I bet a 7 year old kid could beat it consistently.

That's interesting, I would think you would get a lot of eastern Europeans who play for a living playing at that time.

just lost a 250bb pot all in pre with aces. also you dont know what your talking about.

hahaha. I am beginning to think this whole thread is just an elaborate troll at this point.

alright, this has to be a troll.

no im serious overall , just giving a stupid response to a stupid response in the last post.

OP your pretty mouthy for someone who can't beat 5nl zone. First step of your rehabilitation is acceptance of the fish that you are.

confirmed rigged, just lost 2 flips in a row like 10 hands apart

stfu

lol suffer.

Run some population reports as well. And set a fast fold poker filter. Just to get a sense of how often different types are doing what.

Having played zone a ton on ignition/bovada... I can just say that there's tons and tons of variance. If you're getting it AI more than you normally would because people are making bad shoves, then you need to account for the fact you can have swings where your hands don't hold.

Personally, my biggest advantage when I play poker is reads and applying those reads, which zone on Ignition wipes out that advantage. Consequently, my winrate isn't as high as other tables, so subtle forms of tilt can creep in. I've seen this happen to a lot of poker friends who don't normally tilt. It's just something to keep in mind because the swings are faster and wider.

Dude seriously. I really am blown that your struggling to beat low limit zone. Im not trying to be funny or troll you. Im just not sure If I want to give you the zone blueprint since your being such a crybaby.

Yes your never folding pocket aces pre no matter how deep you are. That being said Im almost positive your donking off large sums deep stacked with only a pair.

You should be looking at stack sizes before you decide what hands to play because certain hands play better verses various stack depths. You also beed to bluff at certain boards and scare cards. When people play back at you on turn or river you want to mostly fold. They basically tell you when they are weak and stong. When weak attack. When strong fold. Almost never slowplay except maybe top pair to keep pot small.

I beat 5nl for almost 40BB/100 over 20k hands. There is no reason you cant beat 5nl unless your not trying or tilt spewing like crazy. Every time you have nuts just jamm all in at those stakes. They call with second pair.


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well , i wasnt coming from a beginning place. i beat live poker ( big deal) and have played alot of volume HU a few years back and did pretty decent. im beating zone now pretty significantly will post a graph when i get a decent amount of hands. also i was slight winner with a massive redline over 24k hands on 5nl zone like a year ago. i use a really balanced , block unblock ( upswing style ) in normal poker. i just am still in disbelief that being a weak tight nit is so profitable in zone. i 3x the roll will keep going till it doesnt work. but some how with everyone playing this way it works out so **** it and even in the green now i still think that bovada ups the hands for rake-able pots. but i have no idea how to prove it. also if you look pt4 it has a bell curve graph where if you just run the zone hands you see its on the extreme end of having good hands.

I lost a lot of buyins fast a few years ago when I first tried zone. Then I left to multi-table cash. I finally came back when I decided I needed to grind volume and the only way to do it was zone. I had to adjust my play several times but now I have a strategy that is consistently successful. I dont even downswing that much. I just choose my cards wisely preflop and play smart poker post flop. Also I ‘overplay’ my big hands in the sense that I way overbet them when they are good. I adjust though and sometimes I bet less if Im sensing people are playing tight. I want to sell my hands for all they are worth. You have to value bet river. I am in thin spots all the time and I force myself to value bet. Almost every time as soon as they call I know I won. If they reraise its an auto fold. But its rare that I get reraised. I also balance to a degree even though technically I don’t need to. I somewhat balance by bluffing hard at scare cards if I get the sense they are weak. Like if they bet, bet, bet, then a flush card hits and they check. Bingo. Im gonna bet hard. They could be setting me up but most of the time the check is exactly what it looks like. Weakness. You can grind through variance by falling in love with the fold button and folding when they show strength. Don’t keep calling down hoping to hit unless your draw is extremely strong in multiple ways in which case you might just jam, especially short stacked. Once your stack is deep protect it. I flopped a straight the other day and had a guy call my shove on the flop with top pair weak kicker. He lost 3buyins. Don’t be that guy. Good luck to you I hope you figure it out. Definitely beatable. More like crushable.


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I just went to download ignition. My computer told me it was a virus and deleted it. :0

I remember playing anonymous zone poker a few years back. So tilting. I want to try it again.

I think its an advantage. I don’t want people to know my stats on turn and river. I get enough tells without all that.


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Hahahahahahahahahahahah

there are no turn and river stats , your fold equity in this game is absolutely 000.0000000 . you can stab at pots in a futile attempt to profit but you wont profit in the long run. this is almost an edgeless game im realizing.with high rake this is an unbeatable game. the only way that its not is if i can get enough hands in against these complete and utterly clueless fish and not against the bots. the people in these games have to be so hopelessly lost in poker. if you say you dont swing in this game it literally proves your lying about winning. i swing 12-20 buy ins a session . the only value in this game is the fact that people overcall and absurd amount but this creates massive swings and i believe at my core that these hands are rigged to produce bigger pots so bovada can rake. i dont even think its debatable you can see painfully clear in any hand history your outside on the extreme end of good hands ( amazing hands) .

I played 1000 some hands last night. I've noticed some things. Everyone is super nitty preflop. The player pool doesn't 3-bet enough, they get married to their hands postflop. They double barrel too much. I ran into an interesting spot where I may have gone too thin. I made the play based on the fact that I think the player pool is reluctant to fold a fullhouse with lower pocket pairs.

Here is an interesting hand that I played:

HJ with $4.11 stack opens $0.15
I 3-bet to $0.55 with K K in BB
HJ calls

Flop($0.71) A J 4
I check
He checks

Turn($0.71) A J 4 A
I check
He checks

River($0.71) A J 4 A A
I shove all-in
He calls with A 8

Going into the flop I calculated an SPR of about 3. To my horror I realize that the flop had a lot of money taken out. Without rake it would have been $1.12. The flop was only $0.71. This means 37% of the pot was raked before the flop was seen. SPR was actually 5 where in a normal game it would be about 3.

In hindsight perhaps pot sized bet on river and fold to a raise is better.

Now I understand why everyone is so nitty preflop. I wish I had figured out how the rake works before playing instead of finding out the hard way. I assumed it was somewhere between 5% to 10%, but damn 37% of the pot. That is a lot!

are you sure you calculated the rake right that sounds really high? also im shoving there. you cant hold back from value for the fear of quads lol. this is the only place to get value in this game. if they have quads so be it. but i will say its ****ing unbelievable how often this **** happens.