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Old 08-19-2018, 11:16 PM   #1
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bovada zone unbeatable

i wanted to give bovada zone a shot again , even though its anon. huge mistakes are being made regularly so i thought it would be a sure way to run up a roll slowly. currently down 30 buy ins 1 tabling at 2c/5c!!!!.

im no crusher but there is no way anyone at these stakes should be beating me. i started out using a balanced strat. lost at a very fast rate. switched to a really exploitable strategy ( tight aggresive) since the pool should really balance its self.

mon - fri i noticed the pool is super nitty( still overcalling all streets though) won a few buy ins back. sat- sun is extremely diff. the pool is super lag pre. over calling flop , turn , river post flop. so i figure to just use large bets for value ( which would work if not for insane beats and calls .

no matter the adjustment i just take loses and beats to the point i think that any sane person would speculate about superusing by the sites. im not worried about bots here really its just the absolutely out of line calls in large pots. i truly believe that bovada zone is the game that a site could superuse with almost no chance of being caught.

so basically im wondering is anyone beating this game. how many hands? what have you noticed about play?
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Old 08-19-2018, 11:47 PM   #2
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I am up around $2,500 in roughly 120-140 hours of 1-tabling $1/$2 and $0.25/$0.50 zoom (sorry since the tables are anonymous, I do not use HUD or any other software and just record the results in a spreadsheet like I do for my live sessions).

The quality of play at $0.25/$0.50 is A LOT worse than in $1/$2, but the rake bites stronger at those stakes as well. I would guess that if you play $0.02/$0.05, then the primary issue is rake. I do recommend the 500-chip Sit-N-Goes. They are very soft and rake is not high at all (5% at all buyin levels).
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Old 08-20-2018, 01:55 AM   #3
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I'm sure you won't like this answer, but if you look at a variance calculator this can easily happen unless your an absolute crusher and if that were the case imagine you would be playing higher stakes.
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Old 08-20-2018, 05:28 PM   #4
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I'm sure you won't like this answer, but if you look at a variance calculator this can easily happen unless your an absolute crusher and if that were the case imagine you would be playing higher stakes.
true, was pretty tilted when i made this post .. i can play higher but im not willing to put significant money on these sites id rather put in time and run it up and risk it. i wanted to play a little volume at these stakes to get a feel for the game. im just paranoid but to me this seems like the best spot for the site to cheat players ( idk if they are obv. ) i think im gonna stick to reg 6max. zone seemed like a good way to get alot of hands in but i think im gonna pass.
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:39 PM   #5
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i started out using a balanced strat.
I bet you did.
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:47 AM   #6
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I bet you did.
oh yeah pal? , you probably unaware of how much run good means in poker. down another 15 buy ins. i literally cant win with any strat.

im so fkn sick of poker
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Old 08-23-2018, 12:52 AM   #7
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I bet you did.
nice comment history ya got , free roll grinder at best popping in to s*&t post.
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Old 08-23-2018, 03:48 PM   #8
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Does Bovado allow you to track hands to review after sessions? I don't think i would play fast fold poker without that ability. I've made so many adjustments just by playing around with hold em manager, without it it would be hard to figure out your leaks and the leaks of the competition imo.
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Old 08-23-2018, 05:05 PM   #9
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oh yeah pal? , you probably unaware of how much run good means in poker. down another 15 buy ins. i literally cant win with any strat.

im so fkn sick of poker


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Old 08-23-2018, 07:31 PM   #10
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Does Bovado allow you to track hands to review after sessions? I don't think i would play fast fold poker without that ability. I've made so many adjustments just by playing around with hold em manager, without it it would be hard to figure out your leaks and the leaks of the competition imo.
yeah you can , the all in ev is not right but other wise you can track. IF you can get the hands. often times you try to download the file and it doesnt actually download. as far a leaks i think they are fairly obvious. its def. a game with a small edge but you can get alot of hands in quickly and people seem to not understand the basics there so it should be profitable BUT i run so bad at the game while the otherplayers playing very poorly that im almost breaking out my tinfoil hat on this one. im gonna put more hands in and eat a **** sandwich on this one. the game looks too good. fml.
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Old 08-23-2018, 07:33 PM   #11
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whats it like to grind a poker messageboard and not really play poker? i see you guys come and go over the years but i always wondered how you got here?
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Old 08-23-2018, 08:35 PM   #12
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yeah you can , the all in ev is not right but other wise you can track. IF you can get the hands. often times you try to download the file and it doesnt actually download. as far a leaks i think they are fairly obvious. its def. a game with a small edge but you can get alot of hands in quickly and people seem to not understand the basics there so it should be profitable BUT i run so bad at the game while the otherplayers playing very poorly that im almost breaking out my tinfoil hat on this one. im gonna put more hands in and eat a **** sandwich on this one. the game looks too good. fml.
If this was the case then you wouldn't of made this thread. I like looking at my basic stats for leaks, winrate by position & then more detailed information using hem to plug leaks. Everybody who plays the game of poker takes bad beats & runs into cooler after cooler, those things evens out in the long run, bad play and serious leaks doesn't.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:30 PM   #13
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If this was the case then you wouldn't of made this thread. I like looking at my basic stats for leaks, winrate by position & then more detailed information using hem to plug leaks. Everybody who plays the game of poker takes bad beats & runs into cooler after cooler, those things evens out in the long run, bad play and serious leaks doesn't.
true , im gonna look at it . im being a little lazy and arrogant because of the stakes. ill check them out. i dont wanna go into detail on here but i did make some adjustments that i thought were obv. but i guess ill have to break out the measuring tape for 2c/5c and stop being silly lol.

but also the one of the reasons i made the thread is the player pool is full like 50+ , 24/7 i figured there had to be people playing on here. kinda wanted to hear from others what the thought.
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Old 08-24-2018, 12:18 PM   #14
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It's definitely beatable, who knows how many bots there are. Yes it will be extra variance because you know nothing about your villain's. There is a goals and challenges post where some Aussie guy is owning people, but that is because he is/was a reg on stars I believe. I think the name is Skudzy, if you can't beat 5nl after a decent size sample, you have some flaws in your game that your not aware of, even though we pretty much all do, but in this case must be more sizable. I am curious if bots can run on zone or just standard tables?
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:34 PM   #15
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Using a 5 buyin BRM strat I went from NL50 to NL200 and basically never moving down then cashed out at 3k to play live in about 2 weeks. I almost went busto a bunch of times of course, still remember being on my last BI thinking I had lost to a boat when the next table loaded and I had $500+ in front of me because I somehow runnered quads.

My strat basically consisted of using UpswingPoker's beginner hand chart, always raise 1st in, 3bet entire opening range, squeeze blinds religiously, almost ALWAYS double barreling, and tripling more often than I like, folding to nearly all 4bets, defending vs 3bets almost always.

The premise was simple, everyone is opening too wide, everyone is bluffing, everyone thinks YOURE bluffing, nobody is ever 4bet bluffing, everyone is always 3bet bluffing. I'd sometimes check out hand histories the next day and see truly bizarre play, never quite knew what to make of it. Tons of out of position floats, seems like everyone is just waiting to see you check so they can steal it, hence the need to double barrel A LOT. Basically every 3bet from the blinds is 100% a resteal. Anyone 3betting the BTN is bluffing. All other opens from positions are meaningless. UTG has no more strength than a CO open, hence your ability to 3bet your entire range.

I may try it again if it werent for me almost going broke at least once per day. My stats were relatively tame all things considered, like 22/18 with maybe 13% 3bet being the only high stat. Not sure if DriveHUD calculates this value correctly given it's limited understanding of full hands dealt when you quick fold.
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:39 PM   #16
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Using a 5 buyin BRM strat I went from NL50 to NL200 and basically never moving down then cashed out at 3k to play live in about 2 weeks. I almost went busto a bunch of times of course, still remember being on my last BI thinking I had lost to a boat when the next table loaded and I had $500+ in front of me because I somehow runnered quads.

My strat basically consisted of using UpswingPoker's beginner hand chart, always raise 1st in, 3bet entire opening range, squeeze blinds religiously, almost ALWAYS double barreling, and tripling more often than I like, folding to nearly all 4bets, defending vs 3bets almost always.
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:49 PM   #17
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Keep the 5brm management to yourself, your going to be busto in no time. If anything you need more of a BRM on zone than regular tables, because at least on regular tables you can build some reads and have something to draw on as opposed to nothing but stack sizes and positioning. I have been overly aggressive with my bankroll in the past and no where near this and found myself back at the lower levels multiple times, watch a few of the best players opinion on what matters most and quite a few of them say bank roll management, definitely an underrated aspect and why so many poker players go broke/get staked.
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Old 08-24-2018, 02:15 PM   #18
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^ BRM is important. We're talking a small stakes bitcoin deposit of $250. I'd rather lose that in a week than see I paid $800 in rake by the end of the month and my bankroll is now $450 after 30,000 hands. I wasnt at NL200 for very long since I just won like 6 allins in the span of 2 nights to hit my cashout point, and I could tell the players were better, but you'd be astonished how many total fish there are at this level (including me I guess). But at NL50 and probably below it was quite a fun strat.
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Old 08-24-2018, 11:19 PM   #19
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5 buyins is a lottery ticket but i agree paying the rake at micros may be just as foolish. i played mostly heads up online before. i went on some horrible brm upswings . went from 50 to 1.5k in a night just moving up then busted it at 500NL (just for fun) but they changed the format on bovada so you cant pick tables off and you end up sitting forever . i beat 1/2 2/5 live but not rolled for 2/5 i spend alot of my money and not currently trying to play full time. i wanted to check the game out zone ( someone has to be crushing these games if there legit. like the guy mentioned about the thread) cause 50 players all day and night plus bad players is good. im gonna put a significant amount of hands here soon and adj for rake and see whats up.
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Old 08-25-2018, 02:10 AM   #20
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I dunno how big the NL200z pool really is. I'd often see it hovering around 48 players most of the day and it counts multi-tabling as part of the pool so in reality it was probably more like 20 unique players. I'd open up 2 tables and watch it instantly claim 50 were seated. Maybe on friday-saturday night the pool might be upwards of 100 unique players or so but the world will never know. Aside from guys like me trying to create a "system" to beat it, the rest of the non-pro pool is probably just tourney donks donating whatever they binked the night before. Online poker still pretty bad in the USA, probably best to still focus on live where it's an option.
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Old 08-25-2018, 06:23 AM   #21
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Confirmed, US donk spewing away tourney scores all week.
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Old 08-28-2018, 02:14 AM   #22
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I found NL10 regular tables easier than NL5 zoom tables
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Old 08-28-2018, 08:37 AM   #23
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The premise was simple, everyone is opening too wide, everyone is bluffing, everyone thinks YOURE bluffing, nobody is ever 4bet bluffing, everyone is always 3bet bluffing. I'd sometimes check out hand histories the next day and see truly bizarre play, never quite knew what to make of it. Tons of out of position floats, seems like everyone is just waiting to see you check so they can steal it, hence the need to double barrel A LOT. Basically every 3bet from the blinds is 100% a resteal. Anyone 3betting the BTN is bluffing. All other opens from positions are meaningless. UTG has no more strength than a CO open, hence your ability to 3bet your entire range.
Lol that's a spot on description of zone. Retard central.

Lol at op not being able to beat it. You should become an MTT pro.
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Old 08-29-2018, 01:23 AM   #24
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don't worry, I actually run as bad as you, broke even for 40-50k hands on 10nl stars, and had 10bb at 100 zoom not long before
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Old 08-30-2018, 11:52 AM   #25
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If you cant beat 5nl on bovada I got news for yea.... its not run bad.
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